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Guest Hugi Ásgeirsson | Silona Bonewald | Marco Möller Panelist Richard Littauer Show Notes Hello and welcome back to Sustain! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source for the long haul. Richard is at the State of Open Con 2023 UK in London, and he’s excited to have his first ever in-person podcasts. Today, he has three guests joining him. His first guest is Hugi Ásgeirsson, who’s the Strategy & Partnerships Director at Open Collective Europe. He talks about the differences and benefits between Open Collective in the US vs Europe. Richard’s next guest is a Sustain favorite, Silona Bonewald, who’s the Executive Director for IEEE SA Open. Silona dives into DE&I at conferences and how IEEE and SA Open help with Sustainability. Finally, Marco Möller joins the podcast. Marco is the Co-Founder and Managing Director at PIONIX. We’ll learn how open source is helping sustain our environment, via EV Charging solutions powered by Open Source. Interested in finding out more? Hit play now and enjoy this episode. [00:01:12] Hugi explains how Open Collective Europe fits within Open Collective. [00:03:48] Why does tax structure matter for hosting Open Source projects? Hugi explains the benefits of funding via OCE vs other parts of the world. [00:07:16] If Hugi works for Open Collective Europe...as in the EU, why is he at a conference in the UK? We learn how 50% of all philanthropic donations in Europe happen in the UK. [00:08:34] Hugi discusses his favorite discussions heard at State of Open Con 2023 UK and the takeaways. One word… resilience. [00:13:14] Find out where you can follow Hugi and Open Collective Europe on the web. [00:16:11] Silona now joins Richard. Silona talks about if the sustainability of the ecosystem still depends upon individual members of large projects and corporation at these conferences. Does it help or hurt? [00:17:42] We hear about types of diversity and inclusion that's left out of the conferences. [00:20:40] Silona explains what IEEE and SA Open is, the differences, and her on-going work there. [00:26:29] Richard ask Silona how their platform lends itself towards a more sustainable, more diverse market or ecosystem of open source. [00:31:34] If you want to get involved, Silona gives us two sites you can check out (linked below). [00:32:07] Find out all the places you can follow Silona on the web. [00:33:45] Richard has on a different and special guest for us as the final interview of the conference, Marco Möller. Marco gives us his background and his links to Open Source. [00:35:35] Marco explains how EV Charging works, and how his company PIONIX fit in. [00:36:41] We learn how PIONIX, and their EV charging system is powered by open source and is the main contributor to EVerest. [00:40:46] Marco goes into LF Energy’s (A Linux Foundation Project) involvement in PIONIX. [00:43:59] Richard is curious to find out more about PIONIX’s investors. [00:49:33] Want to learn more about PIONIX, the repository, or Marco himself? He tells us where to find him on the internet. Links SustainOSS SustainOSS Twitter SustainOSS Discourse podcast@sustainoss.org Richard Littauer Twitter Open Collective Europe Hugi Ásgeirsson email Hugi Ásgeirsson Mastodon Hugi Ásgeirsson Twitter IEEE IEEE SA Open IEEE Computer Society Open Source Software Project Governance Working Group Silona Bonewald email Silona Bonewald LinkedIn Silona Bonewald Twitter Silona Bonewald Mastodon The Onion - Prague's Franz Kafka International Named World's Most Alienating Airport PIONIX PIONIX Article on TNW LF Energy EVerest Project EVerest GitHub EVerest Mailing List Marco Möller LinkedIn Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guests: Hugi Ásgeirsson, Marco Möller, and Silona Bonewald.Support Sustain

Guest Derek Kozel | Abby Cabunoc Mayes Panelist Richard Littauer Show Notes Welcome back to another episode of Sustain! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source for the long haul. Richard is at the State of Open Con 2023 UK in London, and he’s excited to have his first ever in-person podcasts. On this episode he has two guests for us to enjoy. His first guest is the President of GNU Radio, Derek Kozel. Hear the moment Derek blows Richard’s mind about all the uses for GNU Radio. Plus, Derek gets into how a 22-year-old project gets effectively run and funded. Interesting! Then, joining him on the second half is Abigail Cabunoc Mayes. Abby is a fellow Sustainer, a “prominent” (not somewhat) voice in open source community, and the Open Source Program Manager at GitHub. Phew. Abby is here today to talk about the importance of maintainers. Enjoy these great discussions now, just click the download button. [00:01:14] Derek explains what GNU Radio is and all its uses. [00:02:15] Richard’s mind gets blown. (poof) [00:03:08] Derek tells us the size of the GNU Radio community. [00:04:10] This is a 22-year-old project, so grab some takeaways from this experienced community. Derek discusses how they’ve kept it going so smoothly. [00:05:50] Wait, What??!! Richard’s mind gets blown 2.0. Derek tells us how the project all started from a court case. [00:07:12] We learn they are funded by GRCon. [00:08:31] Richard asks how GNU Radio is working to ensure inclusion and diversity. [00:10:34] Derek circles back to funding and how they use funds generated for the project. [00:11:58] Derek talks about his favorite workshop at State of Open Con 2023 UK and learning about succession planning. [00:17:04] Want to find out more about GNU Radio and Derek on the internet? He shares where to find him and GNU Radio. [00:19:09] Abby joins us for the second half and talks about her recent trip to FOSDEM and learning how GitHub IS a part of the open source community. [00:20:05] Succession Planning was a talk she gave at FOSDEM and was well received. [00:20:24] What were Abby’s main takeaways from FOSDEM? [00:21:46] Richard circles back to Abby’s succession planning talk and they deep dive into it. Take notes! [00:24:14] Abby gives advice for maintainers trying to get the right kinds of contributors for the future of your projects. [00:27:41] Not everyone wants to be a leader, and Richard wants to know how people can position themselves that way within a project. [00:29:02] Abby talks about what she’s been working on, which is the GitHub Maintainer Community, a private GitHub repo. [00:30:24] Richard is interested to know if Abby has learned anything from talking to similar community leads at GitLab or Bitbucket. [00:32:35] Find out where to follow Abby on the web. Links SustainOSS SustainOSS Twitter SustainOSS Discourse podcast@sustainoss.org Richard Littauer Twitter Derek Kozel Website Derek Kozel LinkedIn Derek Kozel Twitter Derek Kozel Mastodon GNU Radio Abby Cabunoc Mayes LinkedIn Abby Cabunoc Mayes Twitter Abby Cabunoc Mayes GitHub Abby Cabunoc Mayes Hachyderm FOSDEM 23 – Creating Pathways That Invest in New Maintainers Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guests: Abigail Cabunoc Mayes and Derek Kozel.Support Sustain

Guest Ana Jiménez Santamaría | Samson Goddy Panelist Richard Littauer Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source for the long haul. Richard is at the State of Open Con 2023 UK in London, and he’s excited to have his first ever in-person podcasts. Today, he has two guests joining him. His first guest is Ana Jiménez Santamaría, who’s working as the TODO Group OSPO Program Manager at The Linux Foundation. We’ll find out about Ana’s talk at this event, everything she’s been doing for the past few months as the OSPO Program Manager, what’s going on with the regional working groups, what OSPOlogy is, and how the TODO Group works. His next guest is Samson Goddy, a software engineer, open source advocate, Co-founder of Open Source Community Africa (OSCA), and on the Open Source Collective Board. Samson gives us the details about OSCA and the OSCA Fest 2023 coming up in June, that he expects to have a lot of people attending. He also shares a great project called Chakra UI, created by a Nigerian maintainer, as well as a collection of open source projects on GitHub created by Nigerians. We’ll hear about his talk, his favorite sessions, and how he views software sustainability. Enjoy these great discussions and hit the download button now! [00:00:54] Ana went to FOSDEM for the third time, and she tells us what her main takeaway was after being there, and the talk she enjoyed the most called, Open Design. [00:03:00] Since Ana is an OSPO Program Manager she does a lot in terms of output, so we’ll find out what she’s been doing for the past few months. [00:05:15] We hear about the regional working groups, for example the Japanese regional working group, and Ana tells us about some groups in Europe. [00:07:45] What is OSPOlogy? [00:09:03] Ana explains how the TODO Groups work and how OSPOlogy fits within a larger question of open source sustainability. [00:11:45] Richard wonders how they judge inauthentic participation in OSPO’s, and do they ever have any actions what they can say this isn’t what we want. [00:15:39] We hear about Ana’s talk at State of Open Con UK, how the UK gets involved with TODO and the OSPO, and she shares that she sees a need of creating communities with British participants in the OSPO space. [00:17:54] What is Ana looking forward to in the next few months that she’s working on? Also, with all the tech layoffs, she tells us if that has affected the participation in the OSPO. [00:20:50] Find out where you can get involved in the TODO Group and follow Ana on the web. [00:22:05] Richard’s next guest joins him and that is Sampson Goddy. He gives us more details about being the co-founder of OSCA, what it is, and info about OSCA Fest 2023. [00:25:26] Richard doesn’t see a lot of maintainers of major open source projects coming from Africa or Nigeria, and he wonders if we can change that. Sampson shares there’s been a few projects done by Nigerian and African core maintainers, as well as a collection of open source projects created by Nigerians on GitHub. [00:29:06] A tough question is asked about there being a lot of racist and colonialist attitudes towards Nigeria and hard to deal with. Is there anything that corporations or communities of tech people can do to help OSCA and what would the support look like? [00:31:06] Sampson talks about other movements in countries that are not in Nigeria. [00:33:32] How does Sampson view software sustainability? [00:35:10] We hear what Sampson’s favorite sessions have been in the sustain mini events with OSCA and what his talk is about. [00:36:27] Find out where you can learn more about OSCA and the festival coming up, and where you can follow him on the web. Links SustainOSS SustainOSS Twitter SustainOSS Discourse podcast@sustainoss.org Richard Littauer Twitter Ana Jiménez Santamaría Twitter Ana Jiménez Santamaría LinkedIn OSPOlogy The Linux Foundation TODO Group Community Samson Goddy GitHub Samson Goddy Twitter Samson Goddy Website Samson Goddy LinkedIn Open Source Community Africa (OSCA) Open Source Community Africa Festival Open Source Community Africa Instagram Open Source Community Africa Facebook Open Source Collective Chakra UI Made in Africa Collection-GitHub Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guests: Ana Jiménez Santamaría and Samson Goddy.Support Sustain

Guest Colin Eberhardt | Eriol Fox Panelist Richard Littauer Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source for the long haul. Richard is at the State of Open Con 2023 UK in London, and he’s excited to have his first ever in-person podcasts. Today, he has two guests joining him. His first guest is Colin Eberhardt, who’s Technology Director at Scott Logic, and a Board Member of FINOS. Colin tells us about some of his favorite talks at this event, what he learned about Confidential Computing, and his thoughts on open source being described as public good. His next guest is Eriol Fox, who’s Richard’s co-host on the Sustain Open Source Design Podcast. Eriol works at Superbloom, previously Simply Secure, which we’ll hear more about that branding change, what Superbloom does, and some cool things they’ve been working on there. We’ll also find out about the sessions they did at this event on financial topics around open source and succession planning. Download this episode now to hear much more! [00:02:03] Colin tells us what he’s doing at State of Open Con and how it’s going. [00:03:51] We hear about Colin’s talk, other talks he enjoyed, and what Confidential Computing is. [00:09:18] There was a fantastic talk about Wikipedia by the Founder, Jimmy Wales, and Colin shares some great takeaways from that talk. [00:14:15] We’re going a little off topic, but no worries. Colin talks about being annoyed when he sees people siting a claim that ChatGPT is going to be the end of software engineering in the future, and Richard and Colin share their thoughts. [00:15:21] Why does Colin disagree with open source being described as public good? [00:19:44] Find out where you can follow Colin on the web. [00:21:02] His next guest is Eriol Fox, and they tell us about the sessions they did on financial related topics around open source, which apparently was a busy session. They mention several projects said that they were investing in usability improvements, which was great to hear. [00:23:04] The second session was on succession planning, what that talk was about, and how many people attended. [00:24:50] Eriol explains what Superbloom does, what they do at Superbloom, the rebranding from Simply Secure, as well as some cool things they worked on there. [00:33:52] Find out where you can follow Eriol and Superbloom on the web. Links SustainOSS SustainOSS Twitter SustainOSS Discourse podcast@sustainoss.org Richard Littauer Twitter Colin Eberhardt Twitter Colin Eberhardt Blog Colin Eberhardt GitHub Scott Logic FINOS Eriol Fox Twitter Eriol Fox Website Eriol Fox hachyderm Eriol Fox GitHub Superbloom Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guests: Colin Eberhardt and Eriol Fox.Support Sustain

Guest Aaron Crawfis Panelists Richard Littauer | Justin Dorfman Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source for the long haul. Richard and Justin are excited to have as their guest today, Aaron Crawfis, who works in the cloud space as a Senior Product Manager on the Azure Open Source Incubations team, which develops and launches new open source projects to advance the industry of cloud native computing and applications. He’s done a lot of work on Dapr, which is a distributed application runtime where he helped define, launch, and market it to microservice developers currently working on incubations, and more open source stuff across Azure and Microsoft. Today, we’re going to find out more about Dapr, Azure, and working in the cloud space. Aaron tells us about some great projects and cool technologies coming out of the incubation space at Azure, and he shares some awesome advice if you’re a project looking to get into this space. Press download to hear more! [00:01:52] We start with learning more about Dapr. [00:04:39] What’s the difference between cloud native and working in the cloud? [00:07:35] Justin mentions Dapr is mature and there are several companies that use it and wonders what’s keeping Dapr in an incubation state rather than graduating. Aaron also tells us that since the release of Dapr v.1.10, they found that the majority of contributors are now non-Microsoft developers. [00:09:31] We hear if Sarah Novotny and Stormy Peters are involved in Dapr or if they’ve worked on any projects with Aaron. [00:11:59] Aaron gives us his take on why so many people in the cloud space feel the need to gravitate towards large corporations. [00:16:33] We hear about a small business startup Diagrid, and the Founders are building their entire business model around Dapr. [00:18:13] Besides wearing a Dapr hat, Aaron runs the Open Source Incubations at Azure, so he fills us in on what that is, and their most recent incubation they launched called, Project Copacetic. Justin wonders if this project has any similarities to Chainguard’s images or a different approach to tackling vulnerabilities. [00:24:08] Aaron shares how the Azure Open Source Incubations team, as well as Microsoft is giving back more than it takes. He gives a shout-out to the Hugo Project and Doxy, which are his two go-to projects. [00:27:3] We hear about if there’s been a discussion around governance for Dapr and how to make the governance be independent from a single large funding body. [00:29:40] If you’re a project looking to get into this space, Aaron shares some advice. [00:30:57] Find out where you can follow Aaron on the web. Quotes [00:16:26] “Developers and customers will go where the best place to run that software is and I don’t think it has to necessarily be a large corporation.” [00:30:39] “You can make the best piece of software out there, but if it’s undocumented or if you’re doing the getting started guide and you a hit a bug on the first line, that’s where everyone will drop off.” [00:30:48] “Biggest piece of advice, make sure that things are well documented, the value props are there, and the customers will flock right to you.” Spotlight [00:31:39] Justin’s spotlight is a series he’s doing called, tncc-newsletter.com. [00:32:02] Richard’s spotlight is Hugo. [00:32:20] Aaron’s spotlight is Doxy. Links SustainOSS SustainOSS Twitter SustainOSS Discourse podcast@sustainoss.org SustainOSS Hachyderm Richard Littauer Twitter Justin Dorfman Twitter Aaron Crawfis Twitter Aaron Crawfis LinkedIn Dapr Azure Sustain Podcast-Episode 78: Stormy Peters: Sustaining FLOSS at Microsoft’s Open Source Programs Office Sustain Podcast-Episode 93: Dan Lorenc and OSS Supply Chain Security at Google Sustain Podcast-Episode 80: Emma Irwin and the Foss Fund Program Diagrid Project Copacetic Hugo Doxy The Non-Code Contributor newsletter Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guest: Aaron Crawfis.Support Sustain

Guest Andy Piper | Ana Meta Dolinar | Gemma Penson Panelist Richard Littauer Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source for the long haul. Richard is at the State of Open Con 2023 UK in London, and he’s excited to have his first ever in-person podcasts. Today, he has three guests joining him. His first guest is Andy Piper, who volunteered to come here and represent the Open Source Initiative. We’ll hear more about he’s helping the OSI today, what changes he has seen with the OSI over the past decade, and his thoughts on the Cyber Resilience Act. His next two guests are Ana Meta Dolinar and Gemma Penson, who are both University students in Cambridge. They had a stall upstairs at the event for Women@CL, which is the initiative promoting inclusivity and community of women who do computer science, either as students or researchers at Cambridge. Today, we’ll learn all about the Women @CL, how they’re helping to fix the huge gender imbalance when it comes to open source and computer science, and their thoughts on the “leaky pipeline” metaphor. Download this episode now to hear much more! [00:00:46] Andy tells us why he’s at the State of Open Con helping the OSI. [00:04:01] We hear Andy’s perspective on how you can benefit from the OSD by being an enthusiast and what it gives you by having the OSD there. [00:06:25] We learn what Andy is currently doing with open source and being a member of the Python Software Foundation. [00:09:44] Since Andy’s been a member for over ten years, he tells us what he has seen that has changed significantly in the past decade with the OSI. [00:11:26] Andy shares his first experience at FOSDEM 2023. [00:12:59] What are Andy’s thoughts on the Cyber Resilience Act? He also mentions a website and blog to check out by Simon Phipps. [00:15:41] Find out where you can follow Andy and the OSI on the web. [00:17:56] There is a huge gender imbalance when it comes to open source and computer science, and Ana and Gemma share the statistics with us as well as what activities they do to help fix that imbalance. [00:19:14] Ana explains more about the Oxford Women in Computing Society. She mentions lobbying and explains how it requires a lot of background work. [00:21:20] We hear more about the Oxbridge Women in Computer Science Conference that takes place April 2023. [00:24:45] Tech has a higher representation of neuro divergent participants, and Ana and Gemma talk about how visible this population is at universities and in computer science programs and how supportive the university is. [00:27:19] We hear Gemma and Ana’s thoughts on the “leaky pipeline” metaphor and why it may or may not work. [00:32:00] The last question is on the topic of governance and how they plan to keep the program existing and onboard new women to this important cause. They tell us about the initiative at Cambridge, and a Big Sister, Little Sister program they have. [00:35:28] Ana and Gemma explain the mentorship from the graduate school, postgraduates, assistant lecturers, etc. [00:36:25] If you’re a company that wants to sponsor Women in CL, find out where you can reach out to them and where to get in touch with Ana and Gemma on the web. Links SustainOSS SustainOSS Twitter SustainOSS Discourse podcast@sustainoss.org Richard Littauer Twitter Andy Piper Website Andy Piper Mastodon Open Source Initiative Cyber Resilience Act The ultimate list of reactions to the Cyber Resilience Act by Simon Phipps (Voices of Open Source) Ana Meta Dolinar email Gemma Penson email Women@CL-Department of Computer Science and Technology-University of Cambridge Women@CL Twitter Women@CL Facebook Women @CL Instagram Oxford Women in Computing Society Oxbridge Women in Computer Science Conference Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guests: Ana Meta Dolinar, Andy Piper, and Gemma Penson.Support Sustain

Guest Dawn Foster | Andrew Nesbitt Panelist Richard Littauer Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source for the long haul. Richard is at the State of Open Con 2023 UK in London, which is a conference dedicated towards open source. Today, he has two guests joining him in-person and his first guest is Dawn Foster, who’s Director of Open Source Community Strategy in VMware’s OSPO. We’ll hear about Dawn’s responsibilities at VMWare, some highlights on what she talks about at her talk, some great tools she uses, and the importance of mentoring to grow the next wave of maintainers. Richard’s next guest is Andrew Nesbitt, who’s a Software Engineer, Founder of Libraries.io, and a new project he’s working on with Ben Nickolls called, Ecosyste.ms. We’ll learn more about a project he did a while ago called, 24 Pull Requests, and the newest project, Ecosyste.ms, and how it's different from Libraries.io. Download this episode now to hear much more! [00:00:48] We hear about Dawn’s talk on leading in open source and taking a strategic approach and she shares some bullet points from it. [00:03:33] Is there a way to win an ROI argument with an argumentative manager and how can you win those conversations? Dawn explains ways to justify it. [00:06:54] Richard brings up how he thinks about open source as two different buckets, one as developers, and the other as enterprise corporate models, and wonders if they’re the same type of community, and Dawn explains how they blend together. [00:08:13] Dawn details her job and responsibilities at VMware. [00:10:15] We heard Dawn mention she uses CHAOSS tools, but are there others she uses to make it easier for her as a community strategy? She tells us about a metrics model for the CHAOSS Project called, Starter Project Health Metrics Model. [00:12:19] At VMware, their business units operate independently, and Dawn tells us how they act in more of a mentor capacity for the groups. [00:13:38] Dawn shares her thoughts on how engineers are going to move forward in their career from the project to have the skills necessary to do the same thing at a new project. She tells about a talk she did geared towards maintainers. [00:16:57] How does Dawn operationalize the off giving of trust for maintainers? [00:18:42] Dawn shares how she’s looking forward to a future with looking at things from a data based approach, and where you can follow her on the internet. [00:20:17] Andrew gives us the history of how he met Ben Nickolls, a project he started a while ago called, 24 Pull Requests, and how libraries.io started. [00:28:05] Has Andrew ever looked at projects that are popular or that are infrastructure level which may be used in closed source, but have licenses that discriminate against closed source usage? [00:28:43] Andrew and Ben are working on a new project called Ecosyste.ms. What’s the difference between that and libraires.io? [00:33:50] If you’re looking to improve or understand the stack of your dependencies, Andrew tells us what the most interesting use case of Ecosyste.ms is for a maintainer or community manager. [00:37:32] Find out where you can follow Andrew on the web. Links SustainOSS SustainOSS Twitter SustainOSS Discourse podcast@sustainoss.org Richard Littauer Twitter Dawn Foster Twitter Dawn Foster GitHub Dawn Foster Mastodon Dawn Foster Blog CHAOSS Andrew Nesbitt Twitter Andrew Nesbitt Website Andrew Nesbitt GitHub Ben Nickolls Twitter Libraries.io 24 Pull Requests-GitHub Ecosyste.ms-GitHub Sustain Podcast-Episode 70: Avi Press and Scarf Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guests: Andrew Nesbitt and Dawn Foster.Support Sustain

Guest Ruth Cheesley | Mike Nolan Panelist Richard Littauer Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source for the long haul. Richard is at the State of Open Con 2023 UK in London, and he’s excited to have his first ever in-person podcast. Today, he has two guests joining him that have previously been on this podcast. His first guest is Ruth Cheesley, who’s the Project Lead at Mautic. Ruth tells us about Mautic and what her job entails. Also, since she attended FOSDEM ’23 right before this, we’ll find out a little more about that event, as well as what she’s looking forward to at State of Open Con 2023. Richard’s next guest is Mike Nolan, who’s a Software Engineer and open source Community Strategy Consultant helping run Open@RIT as the Associate Director, and he’s the Director and Founding Member of the Federation of Humanitarian Technologists. Mike tells us why he’s at State of Open Con representing RIT and what he’ll be speaking about at his session, and we’ll find out what separates an OSPO at a university from an OSPO in the industry. Download this episode to hear more! [00:01:19] Ruth tells us about her role at Mautic and what her recurring tasks are throughout the week. [00:05:24] We learn how Ruth sets up the community engagement in the Mautic Slack and how she uses Common Room. [00:08:05] Find out Ruth’s journey of getting to where she is today. [00:09:56] In case you missed FOSDEM ‘23, Ruth fills us in on how fantastic it was this year because she was there. [00:11:56] What is Ruth looking forward to at State of Open? [00:14:56] Find out where you can follow Ruth online. [00:16:12] Mike Nolan joins Richard and we find out why he’s at State of Open, and why Rochester Institute of Technology needs to be represented at this conference. [00:18:52] Mike explains what separates an OSPO at a university from an OSPO in the industry. [00:24:10] What does Mike do to help Steve Jacobs make everything happens at RIT? [00:27:27] Mike details how they utilize the students at RIT, not just as an effort of instruction, but as an effort of moving forward with his own OSPO roles. [00:30:18] Mike submitted a proposal for a session at State of Open called, “Entering the OSPO Winter,” and he tells us what he means by winter and what the session is going to be about. [00:32:30] Find out where you can follow Mike online, and he tells us about a great place in England to visit for wild camping. Spotlight [00:13:12] Richard’s spotlight is the eBird reviewers for London. [00:13:53] Ruth’s spotlight is the HappyCow App-The #1 Vegan App. Links SustainOSS SustainOSS Twitter SustainOSS Discourse podcast@sustainoss.org Richard Littauer Twitter Ruth Cheesley Twitter Ruth Cheesley Mastodon Ruth Cheesley GitHub Sustain Podcast-Episode 138: Ruth Cheesley, the Mautic Project Lead at Acquia, on Building and Growing Open Source Communities Mautic Common Room Monica eBird-London HappyCow Mike Nolan Twitter Mike Nolan Website Mike Nolan GitHub mpnopen@rit.edu-Mike Nolan email Sustain Podcast-Episode 69: Humanitarian Open Source with Michael Nolan Dartmoor National Park Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guests: Michael Nolan and Ruth Cheesley.Support Sustain

Guest Joel Wasserman Panelists Richard Littauer | Justin Dorfman Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source for the long haul. Our guest today has been on this podcast before, and we are super excited to have him back on. Joining us is Joel Wasserman, co-founder and Founder of Flossbank and Software Engineer at Google. Today, we’ll find out what happened to Flossbank and what’s happening next as Joel tells the story of how the idea of Flossbank came about, and the challenges and lessons he’s learned along the way. He goes in-depth about the need for funding, the ginormous difference between an open source author and an open source maintainer, and diversity in open source. Download this episode now to hear more! [00:01:23] What is Flossbank? [00:05:59] Onboarding can be difficult, and Joel fills us in on some lessons he’s learned. [00:09:53] Richard brings up a point of finding the right person, and wonders what issues Joel had was because he was the middleman or something else, and if it’s hard to find money for any project in open source. Joel mentions Nadia Eghbal’s book as the best book he’s ever read on the open source ecosystem. [00:12:58] Justin talks about a blog post Joel wrote last June on “The Flossbank Attempt,” where he made a comment “don’t hesitate to reach out,” and he tells us what other projects are actively asking him for advice. [00:15:20] We hear what Joel thinks of the benefits of GitHub sponsors and Open Collective are in comparison to his and why they’re able to garner some money, and his thoughts on that part of the ecosystem. [00:18:26] Joel tells us if there will be any sort of government grants going down the dependency tree and if he’s thought about that kind of money coming into the system and if there are benefits. [00:22:26] We hear what Joel thinks about the idea the maybe Flossbank was never going to work because there’s isn’t as much altruism in the world from companies and that he’s asking for something that’s impossible. [00:29:38] Joel talks about payment mechanisms and something cool they did with Flossbank, working with a company called Coil that uses Interledger. [00:32:13] Joel details his realistic and optimistic view on people wanting to invest in open source and getting money off it, and about diversity in open source. [00:38:50] Find out where you can follow Joel on the web. Quotes [00:05:04] “What we didn’t know and what we quickly found out is that a lot of companies want to have a relationship with the maintainer they are donating to.” [00:06:21] “Small companies, startups, are acutely aware of the open source they rely on.” [00:18:53] “People just take it for granted and they say, “Well, why should I fund it if the next person isn’t funding it?” [00:22:48] “There’s a ginormous rarely spoken difference between an open source author and an open source maintainer. An author chooses to put that license up. An author has given no promise to working on this, to securing it toward making sure that other companies get what they want, bug fixes, future maintenance, making sure their dependencies, no guarantees.” [00:24:00] “Open source maintainers are what I’m advocating to get paid and open source maintainers are the ones who are keeping code up to date, making sure it’s secure, making sure the dependencies are up to date, making sure the dependencies are secure, those people are putting in work.” [00:28:09] “Maintainership is work. It’s a triage of bugs, a triage of feature requests, it’s actual improvements to a package, it’s a long-term commitment, it’s a dramatically different persona and role than author.” [00:32:26] “You should be giving to your entire open source dependency tree because you don’t know what you depend on, or you don’t know what maintainer needs that money to do their work, to keep their package secured, to keep their package up to date until it breaks.” Spotlight [00:39:01] Joel’s spotlight is Nadia Eghbal’s book, Working in Public: The Making and Maintenance of Open Source Software. [00:40:01] Justin’s spotlight is the Open Technology Fund. [00:40:19] Richard’s spotlight is the book, Sacred Economics: Money, Gift & Society in The Age of Transition by Charles Eisenstein. Links SustainOSS SustainOSS Twitter SustainOSS Discourse podcast@sustainoss.org Richard Littauer Twitter Justin Dorfman Twitter Joel Wasserman Twitter Flossbank Sustain Podcast-Episode 58: Joel Wasserman on Flossbank and Sustainability Giving Back to Dependencies Feross-Introducing ‘funding’ experiment Working in Public: The Making and Maintenance of Open Source Software by Nadia Eghbal The Flossbank Attempt by Joel Wasserman Sustain Podcast-Episode 148-Ali Nehzat of thanks.dev and OSS Funding Sustain Podcast-Episode 152-Dudley Carr and Wes Carr on StackAid thanks.dev Stackaid Coil Interledger Foundation Open Technology Fund Sacred Economics: Money, Gift & Society in The Age of Transition by Charles Eisenstein Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guest: Joel Wasserman.Support Sustain

Guest Paul Berschick Panelists Richard Littauer Show Notes Hello and welcome to Sustain! The podcast where we talk about sustaining open source for the long haul. Richard is very excited to have a repeat guest on today, and that is Paul Berschick. Paul is here to tell us a little bit about his conference, FOSS Backstage 2023, which is being held in Berlin, in-person and online, March 13-14. He gives us some important details about the event, from what’s happening this year, some exciting speakers that will be there, and where you can register and sign up ASAP. Download this episode to get all the details and we hope to see you there! [00:00:53] What’s happening at FOSS Backstage this year? [00:02:26] Paul tells us about some of the speakers that he’s excited about having. [00:03:37] There’s going to be podcasts rooms there and podcasts hosts, which of course Richard will be there. Will there be any more hosts joining in? [00:04:17] Find out how to register for FOSS Backstage, booking accommodations, traveling, and places to go online for more info. Links SustainOSS SustainOSS Twitter SustainOSS Discourse podcast@sustainoss.org Richard Littauer Twitter Paul Berschick Twitter FOSS Backstage 2023 FOSS Backstage 2023 Twitter FOSS Backstage 2023 Mastodon Sustain Podcast-Episode 120: FOSS Backstage 2022 with Rich Bowen & Paul Berschick Credits Produced by Richard Littauer Edited by Paul M. Bahr at Peachtree Sound Show notes by DeAnn Bahr Peachtree Sound Special Guest: Paul Berschick.Support Sustain