Inside Outside Innovation

In this episode, Brian Ardinger, Inside Outside Innovation Founder, talks with Gregg Garrett, Managing Director of CGS and co-author of Competing in the Connecting World: The Future of Your Disruptive Industry is Already Here. They discuss innovation both inside and outside, disruptive forces, ecosystem commanders, maturing models, and leadership skills. Interview Transcript  (to read the transcript go to insideoutside.io)Brian Ardinger: Inside Outside Innovation is the podcast that brings you the best and the brightest in the world of startups and innovation. I'm your host Brian Ardinger, founder of InsideOutside.IO, a provider of research, events, and consulting services that help innovators and entrepreneurs build better products, launch new ideas, and compete in a world of change and disruption. Each week we'll give you a front row seat to the latest thinking tools, tactics, and trends, in collaborative innovation. Let's get started. Welcome to another episode of Inside Outside Innovation. I'm your host, Brian Ardinger, and as always, we have another amazing guest. I want to welcome again, Greg Garrett. He is the MD at CGS advisors. He's a coauthor of a new book called Competing in the Connecting World: The Future of Your Disruptive Industry is Already Here. Welcome back, Greg, to the show.  Gregg Garrett: Hey Brian. Thanks for having me.  Brian Ardinger: It's been a couple of years since we talked last. Obviously that's a long time in this world of innovation, so I want to get you back on to talk about some of the things that you've been doing. The new book that you've got out called Competing in the Connecting world. Let's start there. Give the audience a little background, what you were doing and then how you got to this book.  Gregg Garrett: Yeah, so the book is a culmination of experience over probably decades really, but about six years ago. I started teaching a course at a university here in Michigan called Oakland University, and they asked me to develop this course and we called it competing in the connecting world because I was noisy in an advisory session one time and said, are we really preparing students and future leaders to compete in this connecting world, in this future world? Are we just doing more of the same? They said, well, we probably aren't, or we could do it differently. Could you help us to develop the course? Taught it for a few years. This is an MBA and graduate engineering course and realize there's really very little written. A lot in the media world and article world, but very little written formally around it. So my coauthor, Dr. Warren Ritchie and I grabbed a lot of what we were teaching in the classroom, a little bit while we were speaking a publicly, and also what we've been consulting on, living ourselves around digital and transformation in general, and put it in a book. Brian Ardinger: So let's unpack that a little bit and give our audience a background about yourself. You've done a lot of time in Fortune 100 world as an executive. You've done a lot of consulting and investing in that. So you've seen a lot from both sides of the puzzle, both inside organizations and outside of organizations. What made you decide that this was a topic that you wanted to dig into and and what have you learned?  Gregg Garrett: Yeah, so you've got the history right. Bunch of years with large firms, and then the last nine years being a very small firm, 20 person boutique transformation organization, working back with some of those large firms, but then also working with the medium size and scaling. And do a lot of mentoring inside of different accelerators and whatnot. So I've got one foot in each of those camps, the startup, the scale-up world, and then the large entity trying to transform world. To read the transcript or for more information, go to insideoutside.io 

In this episode, Brian Ardinger, Inside Outside Innovation Founder, talks with Aaron Hawkins, former Head of Global Prime, now Whole Foods and Fresh Last Mile Delivery Strategy, at Amazon. And currently the VP of Digital Product at Northwestern Mutual. They discuss eCommerce retail at Kohl's and Amazon, drop shipping, customer experience, PR-FAQ, customer truisms, financial services at Northwestern Mutual, and Agile. Interview Transcript  (Read the transcript at insideoutside.io)Brian Ardinger:  Inside Outside Innovation is the podcast that brings you the best and the brightest in the world of startups and innovation. I'm your host Brian Ardinger, founder of InsideOutside.IO, a provider of research events and consulting services that help innovators and entrepreneurs build better products, launch new ideas, and compete in a world of change and disruption. Each week we'll give you a front row seat to the latest thinking tools, tactics, and trends, and collaborative innovation. Let's get started. Welcome to another episode of Inside Outside Innovation. I'm your host Brian Ardinger, and as always, we have another amazing guest. Today we are recording live at the Fall Experiment conference here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.And with me today is Aaron Hawkins. He is the former head of Global Prime now Whole Foods and Fresh Last Mile Delivery Strategy at Amazon. And he's now currently the VP of Digital Product at Northwestern Mutual. Welcome to the show Aaron.  Aaron Hawkins: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.  Brian Ardinger: Hey, I'm super excited to have you on the show for a couple of different reasons.  One, you've been in this space of innovation, obviously working for Amazon in the retail space, and all the disruption that's going on. Love to talk a little bit more about your experiences there, and then obviously you're now to a new role, moving back to the Midwest, where you're from. Let's start the conversation with talking a little bit about your background and how did you get into innovation.Aaron Hawkins: Yes, my background is that I really have been permanently in eCommerce retail my whole career. I started at Kohl's working for their website, and when I joined Kohl's, they were about a $15.5 billion retail business and that was primarily through their stores and their website was doing about $140 million at the time.  When I joined it, it was way under penetrated and they were looking to expand and I sort of just lucked out and got an opportunity to really start up in a scrappy kind of pilot mode, a drop ship program, which is a direct to consumer model where they leverage suppliers and manufacturers and distributors capabilities to ship in individual units to end consumers. And it was a great opportunity for Kohl's to expand because it was pretty low capital investment on their part. And so piloted a program there in 2007. And that really grew. I think by the time I left Kohl's to go to Amazon, their website had grown to about $1.7 billion. And so it was basically doubling itself every two years, which was incredible growth. And that really afforded me the opportunity to go to Amazon and work for their North America drop ship program, which was really how they got started. They started drop shipping books way back in 1995 and so it was a pretty mature program, but it had gotten a little stale. And so they brought me in to think about ways to refresh it a little bit and also to start leveraging some of their fulfillment capabilities that they had developed over time and you know, two day prime shipping had been a pretty well established thing at that point. I think they had 55 fulfillment centers by the time I joined. Read the transcript at insideoutside.io

In this episode, Brian Ardinger, Inside Outside Innovation Founder, talks with Swetha PB, Head of Product at Brilliant Hire, an SAP startup. They discuss hiring screening, SAP support, innovation talent, and building a startup within a large company. Interview Transcript   (Read the interview transcript at insideoutside.io)Brian Ardinger: Inside Outside Innovation is the podcast that brings you the best and the brightest in the world of startups and innovation. I'm your host Brian Ardinger, founder of Insideoutside.IO, a provider of research, events, and consulting services, that help innovators and entrepreneurs build better products, launch new ideas, and compete in a world of change and disruption. Each week we'll give you a front row seat to the latest thinking pools, tactics, and trends in collaborative innovation. Let's get started. Welcome to another episode of Inside Outside Innovation. I'm your host Brian Ardinger and we have another amazing guest. Live today from the Fall Experiment conference in Milwaukee, Wisconsin with us today is Swetha PB from Brilliant hire. Welcome to the show. Swetha PB: Hi everyone. Brian Ardinger: Swetha thanks for coming out. You are with a company called Brilliant Hire, Head of Product, and Brilliant Hire is a startup, but it's an interesting startup because it's spun out of SAP, which is a large corporation.  So we want to talk a little bit about that particular process, but before we dig into that, let's talk a little bit about how you got involved in innovation in the first  place. Swetha PB: Yeah, definitely. So since college days innovation or problem solving and trying to figure out creative ways of doing things with something that interested me a lot and being part of SAP, there are a lot of opportunities being hackathons or a lot of different ways that we could explore that part of us.  And I think that was what brought us together even to start this brilliant hire and what it is today. Brian Ardinger: Tell the audience a little bit about what Brilliant Hire is all about.  Swetha PB: Brilliant Hire is a screening as a service. We provide a SaaS based software that helps reduce the time and effort involved in the hiring process in an unbiased manner. We all know that hiring is broken and we hear to solve the first part of it by, you know, what do using your time, effort involved in that. Brian Ardinger: How did it come about that you wanted to try to solve this particular problem and how did SAP become involved in this?  Swetha PB: So that's a very interesting part of our journey. It came out of what is called today in actual terminology, as user innovation. So I and my colleagues, the two other co founders of Brilliant Hire, would ask to take part in interviews. We were asked to scale a team from four to 40 all in a month. So that was a challenge for us. So we had to go on weekends. This is all back in India. Go on weekends, take interviews for these roles. And what made us realize, though we were spending so much time interviewing candidates, only 30% were going into the next round of interviews. There's a 70% rejection rate right there. So this kind of shocked us. We started one like, you know, explore, is this a problem just with us, just within our company or is it present over the, you know, all industries. That's what we tried to solve and we started on, we started to explore, we started talking to lot more recruiters. We did a lot of research and understood, yeah, this is a problem all around and hiring is clearly broken. And that got us excited and we're like, okay, let's see how we solve the problem. And inside SAP, there are a lot of hackathons that keep happening. And good for us that one of the hackathons hired smart HR as the topics. So it was a great time for us to like, the problem that we faced, how do we solve it? Read the interview transcript at insideoutside.io

In this episode, Brian Ardinger, Inside Outside Innovation Founder, talks with Nancy Wang, Head of Product at AWS Data Protection and Founder of Advancing Women in Product (AWIP). Brian and Nancy talk about women in tech, a Midwest AWIP chapter, mentors, diversity, and product development. Read the interview transcript at insideoutside.ioBrian Ardinger: Inside Outside Innovation is the podcast that brings you the best and the brightest in the world of startups and Innovation. I'm your host Brian Ardinger, founder of InsideOutside.IO a provider of research, events, and consulting services that help innovators and entrepreneurs build better products launched new ideas and compete in a world of change and disruption each week will give you a front-row seat to the latest thinking, tools, tactics, and trends and collaborative Innovation. Let's get started.  Welcome to another episode of Inside Outside Innovation. I'm your host Brian Ardinger. And as always we have another amazing guest. This week we are live from the Fall Experiment conference here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. And today with me on the show is Nancy Wang, head of product AWS data protection.  She was formerly with Google and she's the founder and CEO of a nonprofit called advancing women in product. Welcome to the show. Nancy Wang: Thank you Brian. Thank you for having me here. As some of you may know Wisconsin is where I grew up. So I grew up in a small town in Upper Northwestern Wisconsin called Menominee and it's there that I grew in love with the midwestern lifestyle.  And also with the Midwestern culture. So part of me working out in the west coast and coming here is that love to bring more of the West Coast mentality in Silicon Valley entrepreneurship to the Midwest area  Brian Ardinger: You've been doing it for a number of years. So you've got broad experience of building products for some of the biggest and best companies in the world, Google and now you're working at Amazon.  But one of the key aspects of why I wanted to have you on the show is to talk about your nonprofit and the idea of how do you create a more diverse tech environment? Let's talk a little bit about your nonprofit. How did it come about and what is all about?  Nancy Wang: I founded Advancing Women in Product or AWIP for short in 2017.  And the reason behind that was, you know, I found myself as one of the only woman in the room. Even though I had a great community of male mentors and sponsors and also managers who moved me forward in my career. I wanted that touch in connection with a female who I could look up to and so that was really the idea and the mission behind founding AWIP was that I wanted other women in the Next Generation not to have the same diversity challenges as I faced moving forward in my career whether it was starting out at the US government working for the Department of Health and Human Services. or moving to Google, then a venture backed startup and now Amazon. So part of our mission is to create skills-based workshops, as well as create Circles of executive mentorship, where our 12,500 strong community can come together and really Advance their careers, because seeing is believing. And I firmly believe in that when you see folks you identify with, whether that's gender and other characteristics, you then believe that you can get there as well so change for a AWIP starts at the very top. So we work with our community of ambassadors, who are. Executives in various fields to come together and either create policies or pipelines to make sure that women are well represented in the highest levels of tech leadership. Read the interview transcript at insideoutside.io

Brian Ardinger, Inside Outside Innovation Founder, talks with Max Fergus, Founder and CEO of LUM, a music streaming app rooted in the discovery of emerging music. Brian and Max discuss disruption, entrepreneurship, trends, content creation, building a team, and corporate startup collaboration. Read the interview transcript at insideoutside.ioBrian Ardinger: Inside Outside Innovation is the podcast that brings you the best and the brightest in the world of startups and Innovation. I'm your host Brian Ardinger founder of Insideoutside.IO a provider of research, events, and consulting services that help innovators and entrepreneurs build better products launched new ideas and compete in a world of change and disruption each week will give you a front-row seat to the latest Thinking, Tools, tactics, and Trends and collaborative Innovation. Let's get started. Welcome to another episode of Inside Outside Innovation. I'm your host Brian Ardinger. We are excited to be live here from Milwaukee at Fall Experiment today. We have another amazing a guest Max Fergus. He is the founder and CEO of a company called Lum. Welcome to the show Max. Max Fergus: Thank you so much. Brian looking forward to it.  Brian Ardinger: Let's get started. You've just got off stage to talk a little bit about your business and some of the new disruptions that are going on in the music industry. Let's start there. Tell me a little bit about Lum and what are you seeing in this crowded space of music? Max Fergus: You know the truth is that when most people talk about music disruption, they write it off right away. There's a lot of corpses in the music industry, especially when it comes to emerging music. We've seen a lot of companies over the last five years try to create what a lot of people would call Spotify clones that just focus on emerging music. But the truth is that for the large part corporate and mainstream music is better than emerging music. If we are just trying to give these emerging artist a better chance to survive, if we give them the average fan or the end user the same experience that they're going to get on Spotify and try to compete with algorithms that none of us can compete with, we're not going to be able to do anything for the fan and we're surely not going to help the artist. So the truth is and what Lum is rooted in is looking at the technology that exists all around the world that's currently empowering content creators. That use streaming technology and putting that technology into music streaming for the first time, and that's really what Loom is all about.  Brian Ardinger: Let's talk a little bit about your background. So as a Founder, it's always interesting to me to have an interview with entrepreneur and say how did they get to this space? I know you have a diverse background you spent some time in China, I did as well, and I'm interested in finding out a little bit about how that nugget of the problem that you saw out there and and the experiences that you brought to the table, gave you the decision to say, let's start this company. Max Fergus: Yeah, the truth is that most people think that when you start a company in college you either start it around booze or music? And so we already had a little bit of a disadvantage there because people automatically assume that we were starting another College startup, especially coming from a place like Madison in which case booze and music are both very prevalent. But the truth is that we didn't start Lum. With the understanding that we were going to do music right away. We looked at industries that were growing rapidly like streaming like music streaming and made our decision based off the ones that were the most likely to be disrupted and music streaming was really powerful because it hasn't just been growing really really far in the past. But it's growing exceptionally fast right now and it's going to grow even more so over the next 10 yearsRead the interview transcript at insideoutside.io

In this episode, Brian Ardinger, Inside Outside Innovation Founder talks with Flavio Lobato of Ikove Capital. Ikove is a venture development company founded to pursue early-stage investments with an emphasis on technology commercialization. Brian and Flavio discuss investing in the Midwest, identifying and validating high-impact technologies, bridging the gap between R&D and VC funded rounds, and innovation talent. Read the interview transcript at insideoutside.ioBrian Ardinger: Inside Outside Innovation is the podcast that brings you the best and the brightest in the world of startups and Innovation. I'm your host Brian Ardinger, founder of insideOutside.IO a provider of research events and consulting services that help innovators and entrepreneurs build better products launched new ideas and compete in a world of change and disruption each week will give you a front-row seat to the latest Thinking, Tools, tactics, and Trends and collaborative Innovation. Let's get started.  Welcome to another episode of inside Outside Innovation. I'm your host Brian Ardinger. And as always we have another amazing guest Flavio Lobato. He is a co-founder and principal at Eco of capital. Welcome to the show  Flavio Lobato:  Hey, Brian, thank you very much. Thank you for having me. Brian Ardinger: Hey, I'm excited to talk to you because, couple different things. You've been in the space for a bit of time and this new model around Venture development rather than a kind of venture capital. I really wanted to dig in on this particular episode. Maybe for the audience, let's start with a little bit about your background and a little bit about Eco Capital. Flavio Lobato: I'm originally from Brazil. I've been in the states for 35 plus years really begin my career in Investment Management Investment Banking back in the 90s after business school, working at places like Goldman Sachs, Credit Swiss. And then really my career focus quite heavily on alternative Investments and hedge funds. I launched a very successful alternative investment shop in Switzerland called Swiss Capital Group, which was a part of a very sizable fund of hedge funds Liongate Capital that eventually sold to a large insurance company. Really after 25 plus years in both traditionsal and alternative spaces. Me and my partners Adolpho Balazi, Rodolfo Bellesi, John D'Orazio, Dr. Rob Lee and David Moritz decided to put together IKove Capital to take advantage of what's happening in technology commercialization and adventure as a whole  Brian Ardinger: Excellent and my understanding is you're five years old. You probably invested in 14 startups in the Stem, Medtech, Agritech vertical and you’re based in the Midwest where we are as well. I want to talk a little bit about investing in particular markets Like the Midwest is different. Obviously investing in particular markets like med tech or ag tech and that are different. So what are some of the things that you're seeing that set you apart and set the ecosystem apart in the Midwest versus some of the tech hubs. Flavio Lobato: What we do is we actually go directly to the source of innovation and we partner with research institutions like Ohio State University in Columbus, Ohio where we identify and vet technology that's been in development through their research programs. And once we identify a technology that we really like and that and go through that process we go out and build teams around IT technology and spin them off as independent companies. What's unique about what we do is that we identified and we saw that about 25% of the US research budget, which is about 70 billion dollars invested each year to universities to front their R&D.  Very little of that less than 1% of that amount is actually invested in commercialization of these Technologies. Read the interview transcript at insideoutside.io

Dr. Nada Sanders is a Distinguished Professor of Supply Chain Management at Northeastern University and co-author of The Humachine: Humankind, Machines, and the Future of Enterprise. Dr. Sanders talks with Brian Ardinger, Inside Outside Innovation founder, about Humachines and the implications for the future of business. Key Points: - Humachine - Emerging forms of enterprise. Combines human qualities (creativity, judgment, and intuition) with machines (economies of scale, AI, artificial processing, etc.). What are the capabilities? - The key difference is the human resource element in the tech era. Some will wait and see what tech is doing. Others are using tech as plug and play. Neither will work. Move towards superhuman enterprise management. The interplay between tech, people, and processes. - Tactics: How can you determine where AI can help? Don’t need all tech. Understand your strategy. Who are you and what are you trying to do. - Data: People don’t know what to ask of it. What questions do you need to answer? - AI is about how do you use it, not the tech. - Smaller companies leverage human resources and leverage the questions asked. Walmart was an industry leader. - Capabilities in silos. Systems need to be linked together. - How can organizational leaders see the human side? Period of lifelong learning. We will see repetitive jobs go away. Important areas need human communication. Cultivate in the workforce. - Systems Thinking: Coders don’t always thrive in systems or with communication. For More Information For more information about Dr. Nada Sanders connect with her on LinkedIn or go to the https://thehumachinebook.com. Check out Dr Sander's book on Amazon.   For similar podcasts, check out:  - Ep. 145 – Laura Anne Edwards, DATA OASIS founder, NASA Datanaut, TED Resident & SheCanHackIT on Sustainable Innovation and Big Data - Ep. 135 – Nara Logics CEO and E.N. Thompson Lecturer Jana Eggers on Artificial Intelligence’s Past and Future - Ep. 107 – Azeem Azhar, Author of “Exponential View” Find this episode of Inside Outside Innovation at insideoutside.io. You can also listen on Acast, iTunes, Sticher, Spotify, and Google Play. FREE INNOVATION NEWSLETTER Get the latest episodes of the Inside Outside Innovation podcast, in addition to thought leadership in the form of blogs, innovation resources, videos, and invitations to exclusive events. SUBSCRIBE HERE For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy

Ben Yoskovitz is the Founding Partner at Highline BETA, a startup co-creation company. He is also Co-Author of Lean Analytics and a former VP of VarageSale and GoInstant, which sold to Salesforce. Brian Ardinger, Inside Outside innovation Founder, talks with Ben about corporate-startup collaboration. Ben started his first company in 1996 during University, where he got into tech and entrepreneurship. Since that time, he founded several other companies, ran products, and started one of the first accelerators in Canada called Year 1 labs. Ben applied the Lean Startup methodology to the companies they invested in, then wrote the book Lean Analytics. Soon he began angel investing and finally launched Highline BETA. Highline BETA Highline BETA believes by working with big companies, they can build better startups. Their service arm works with big companies to identify opportunities. Their fund arm finances them. This strategy can share risk. The corporate side realizes the big model is unlikely to survive. They must diversify. Outside the valley, startups think more about the business model and problems, which makes this collaboration an excellent fit. Highline BETA doesn’t assume they have all the ideas. Uses signals from inside of big companies of what they need, and has startups use this talent and resources from big companies. Coming to IO Summit. Speaking on Startup + Corporate Collaboration. What are the trends? Highline BETA is a commercial deal accelerator. Big companies with little companies in pilots. When they see pilots scaling, that’s a good sign. How do you navigate startups working with Corporates early? If startups need product and market and aren’t established, it’s tough to partner with corporates. Have to be ready for the relationship. Accelerators can provide the right interface with deal terms and expectations. Corporate Venture Capital - pros and cons. What’s the exchange of value becomes very important - Data, customers, co-marketing. Corporates work more slowly than startups. Future Trends Companies are starting to take a portfolio approach to everything they do. Building ventures organically - internal or external. Separating themselves from the core, or having an accelerator and investing in startups or co-creation. Not all will win but gives a nice balance. Difficult to disrupt when incentivized to keep core going. Must do everything, a balance. Don’t innovate on your own. Inorganic and organic. How do you streamline processes in working with startups? For More Information For more information or to connect with Ben Yoskovitz, check out Highline BETA. Find this episode of Inside Outside Innovation at insideoutside.io. You can also listen on Acast, iTunes, Sticher, Spotify, and Google Play. FREE INNOVATION NEWSLETTER Get the latest episodes of the Inside Outside Innovation podcast, in addition to thought leadership in the form of blogs, innovation resources, videos, and invitations to exclusive events. SUBSCRIBE HERE For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy

Derek Chin is Head of Innovation and Product Strategy at Nerdery, a business consulting company. Brian Ardinger, Inside Outside Innovation Founder, talks with Derek about corporate innovation, adaptability, and financing innovation projects. With the heart of a serial entrepreneur, Derek is fascinated about how to bring ideas to life. After working at a startup in college, Derek started his own business and learned the importance of design thinking and bootstrapping. He eventually went to law school and had the opportunity to work for United Healthcare, analyzing new laws and regs to discover new business opportunities. Derek continued at United Healthcare after law school, as their entrepreneur-in-residence, and was humbled by the challenges of corporate innovation. After a few years, Derek left to help start a new company called BrightHealth, with a former CEO of United Healthcare. In 5 months, they raised $80 million, in Series A, as a small startup trying to replicate a huge insurance company. Selecting the best staff and supplementing with consultants, was an important stratetgy to move fast. BrightHealth raised another $160 million in Series B and then was at a point of scaling. Now at Nerdery, Derek helps other companies think like entrepreneurs and accelerate their growth by creating MVPs and selecting the right staff. He’s worked with dozens of Fortune 500 companies, including businesses like Google and Purina. He thinks a key obstacle to innovation is resourcing and staffing. Companies are building teams before they know what they are doing. Derek believes small corporate innovation teams partnering with agencies like Nerdery, to find market fit, is the best approach. Innovation teams are able to integrate the project back into the business, and the agency team goes away. "Team -as-a-Service" model.  As for innovation trends, Derek sees an evolution of how companies are financing innovation projects. Many are acting like VCs, looking for results from small bits of money, blurring the lines between VCs and Corporate Capital. For More Information For more information, connect with Derek W. Chin on LinkedIn. For similar podcasts, check out:  Ep. 150 – Sylvain Labs’ Alain Sylvain on New Idea Creation for Business and Consumer Needs Ep. 140 – Melissa Perri, Escaping the Build Trap Author and Produx Labs CEO Ep. 119 – Voltage Control’s Douglas Ferguson on Inside Innovation Find this episode of Inside Outside Innovation at insideoutside.io. You can also listen on Acast, iTunes, Sticher, Spotify, and Google Play. FREE INNOVATION NEWSLETTER Get the latest episodes of the Inside Outside Innovation podcast, in addition to thought leadership in the form of blogs, innovation resources, videos, and invitations to exclusive events. SUBSCRIBE HERE For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy

This week's podcast features RSM’s Kevin Depew and Matt Wolf talking with Brian Ardinger, Inside Outside Innovation Founder, about RSM's unique industry eminence program. They highlight the collision of ideas that brought this program to life and how it has enabled RSM to deliver an enhanced, differentiating client experience.   For More Information For more information, check out RSM at RSMUS.com/IO Find this episode of Inside Outside Innovation at insideoutside.io. This podcast is sponsored by RSM: Audit, Tax and Consulting Services to help Middle Market Leaders Succeed FREE INNOVATION NEWSLETTER Get the latest episodes of the Inside Outside Innovation podcast, in addition to thought leadership in the form of blogs, innovation resources, videos, and invitations to exclusive events.  SUBSCRIBE HERE