

The Other Way
Kasia Stiggelbout
Hello and welcome to The Other Way, a women's lifestyle podcast that explores uncommon, unconventional, or alternative approaches in life, health, spirituality, and work. Here, you can expect real, raw conversations with founders, researchers, trailblazers, experts in medicine, spiritual teachers, and all-around inspiring humans on the journey of doing things our way. It may not be “the way,” but it is the other way. So, if you’re like us and feel called to listen to that deeper voice - you’re in the right place. Welcome.
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Mar 14, 2023 • 52min
033: Chinese Medicine, seasonal living, & Spring lifestyle tips w/ Anne Woods LAc, MSTCM
Anne Woods is a licensed acupuncturist and herbalist in San Francisco. Her approach to modern medicine is gentle and empowering. Rooted in ancient healing modalities such as acupuncture and Eastern medicine, therapeutic movement, nutrition counseling, and herbal medicine, she believes we can teach the physical, emotional, and spiritual body to achieve balance. Anne has a passion for helping people with acute and chronic pain, digestive disorders, hormone imbalances, natural skincare, and stress. Her intention is to help people feel vibrant and alive in their bodies so they can live fully, with peace in their heart and mind. She has been teaching yoga for over 14 years in a variety of styles. When she is not in the clinic, Anne enjoys spending time in the ocean, tending her garden, ceramics, and cooking up nourishing dinners with friends and family.
💫 We cover :
Seasons living according to Chinese Medicine
The Lunar calendar vs. the traditional Gregorian calendar + how it affects the seasons
Spring rituals & lifestyle tips + how to recognize if you’re out of balance
What foods to bring into your life this Spring to find health
Movement rituals to ease your body, seasonally
The spiritual elements of the spring season
Tips for dressing for the Spring for utmost health according to TCM
Understanding the energetics behind shifts in season
The power behind “flow” and how to tap into it from a health AND creativity POV
“Spring cleaning” energetically from a East Asian Lens
How to balance that wild “energy” of spring (and tend to any emotional outbursts!)
SO MUCH MORE
💫 Mentioned on today’s podcast:
Episode 1 on seasonal living
The Garden's Wellness shop
💫 To connect with Anne Woods LAc, MSTCM:
@thegardensf on Instagram
www.thegardensf.co

Feb 27, 2023 • 50min
032: Jim Gallas on freeing the flow of energy for health with Qigong, yoga, and reiki
This episode is a MUST listen for anyone who feels like acupuncture, herbalism, and other healing modalities are out of reach. There is so much we can learn to do to help promote healing within. Make sure to go check out our IG Community (@Nourish_Podcast) for quick videos guiding you through amazing Qigong practices that you can incorporate into your day to day.
Jim Gallas has been teaching Yoga for 32 years, He has taught Qigong and Shiatsu for 30 years. Jim currently teaches the workshops ``Wild Tao”, “The Wisdom of Aging” “Vibrant Silence” and “Streams of Energy” at Esalen Institute. In Sayulita Mexico he offers “The Anatomy of Ease '' and “Long Spine Spacious Mind”, and at Mount Shasta “Standing as a Mountain”. For twenty years Jim practiced and performed with an improv group “Loose Cannon Theatre''.
💫 We cover :
Fundamentally: what is Qi
What are the benefits of Qigong as a self therapy
The differences between Qigong, yoga, and other forms of movement
The mechanism of action behind Qigong vs. acupuncture vs. reiki
Ways to incorporate Qigong into your busy life - along with workouts!
The thousands of forms of QiGong; diving deep into Wai Dan Gong (and its relation to Sufism, yoga, and other spiritual practices)
How QiGong can shift your frame of mind
DAOist philosophy around source medicine
The evolution of QiGong; it's connection to nature, science, and monastic traditions
Difference between meditation and "meditative movement" - how to fit in both or choose one over the other
+ So much more!
💫 To connect with Jim:
Send him a note at: jim@relaxedfocus.net
Visit his website at: https://www.relaxedfocus.net/
Jim is also teaching an amazing new workshop on Qigong at ESALEN in JUNE! Vibrant Silence, Qigong and Meditation” June 16-18 at Esalen Institute Big Sur Ca. Learn a full Qigong sequence, meridian self massage, meridian stretches, walking, standing and sitting meditation. Please contact esalen.org for more info or to register.

Feb 14, 2023 • 50min
031: Writing for self discovery, combating creative blocks, & morning pages w/ Janis Cooke Newman
Janis Cooke Newman is the author of a memoir and two award-winning novels. She is the founder of Lit Camp, a nonprofit dedicated to supporting writers. Janis is also a long-time meditator, and has taught writing and mindfulness workshops at Esalen and through the San Francisco Zen Center, where she practices.
💫 We cover :
The interconnection between writing and mindfulness
The power of writing as a means of self reflection and self therapy
How “everyone” is a writer
Tools for working through “blocks” of all sorts: writers blocks, creative blocks, etc.
Cultivating creativity through mindfulness and writing
Uncovering our truest voices through writing
So much more!
💫 To connect with Janis Cooke Newman :
https://www.writingmindfulness.com/
https://creativecaffeinedaily.com/

Jan 31, 2023 • 51min
030: Chinese Medicine & East-Asian Medicine on eczema, psoriasis, & autoimmune conditions w/ Dr. Sydney Malawer, DAIM L.Ac.
Dr. Sydney Malawer, DAIM L.Ac. runs Tendervine Health, an acupuncture and integrative East-Asian medicine practice in Berkeley, CA that specializes in the treatment of complex conditions, in particular autoimmune dermatology, digestive issues, thyroid conditions, and joint pain.
She came to East-Asian medicine through her own struggle with psoriasis and seeks to bring the same comfort, relief, and advocacy to her patients that she has received throughout her struggle.
Dr. Sydney’s training is focused in Traditional Japanese Acupuncture and Moxibustion, classical herbalism, and clinical integrative East-Asian medicine. She holds a B.S. from Cornell University, graduated summa cum laude from the Master’s in East-Asian Medicine program at the Acupuncture and Integrative Medicine College (AIMC) at Berkeley, and also earned a doctorate in Acupuncture and Integrative Medicine through AIMC Berkeley. She is a lecturer in both the master's and doctorate programs at the Acupuncture & Integrative Medicine College at Berkeley and in the doctorate program at the Academy of Chinese Culture and Health Sciences, where she teaches classes on Japanese acupuncture and integrative clinical lab testing. In addition to her private practice and teaching positions, Dr. Sydney volunteers at the Charlotte Maxwell Integrative Cancer Care Center, providing acupuncture to low-income women with cancer.
💫 We cover :
Understanding complex autoimmune conditions from the perspective of East Asian Medicine
Conditions such as: graves disease (immune hyperthyroidism), hypothyroidism, tinnitus, hot flashes, digestive issues such as Crohn's disease, IBS, frozen shoulder
The difference in diagnosis for Autoimmune conditions in Western vs. East Asian Medicine. The time to diagnosis in the US + the complexity of autoimmune cases
The difference between endogenous vs. exogenous disease in Chinese Medicine
What is "Yin Fire" in Chinese Medicine?
The connection of eczema and allergies PLUS emotions and eczema
Dermatology, especially: Eczema, psoriasis
Understanding the pattern recognition and treatment protocol from the POV of a East Asian Medicine, Chinese Medicine Practitioner for dermatology conditions
The healing “lifecycle” for eczema and psoriasis
Raw herbs, vs. dried herbs vs. formula and its efficacy for skin conditions
Kasia’s own personal journey with eczema
& MORE!
💫 To connect with Dr. Sydney Malawer, DAIM LAc:
https://www.tendervinehealth.com/
https://www.instagram.com/dr.sydney.lac/
https://www.facebook.com/sydneymalaweracupuncture
Sydney’s feature at AIMC
💫 Mentioned on this episode:
http://www.barbaramartelloacupuncture.com/
Head over to Kasia's instagram for before and after pictures
Yin Fire + Endogenous disease - Li Dong Yuan
Zev Rosenberg
Mazin Al Khafaji
Ikeda Masakazu

Jan 17, 2023 • 55min
029: Ancestral remembering via herbalism with Laura Ash, Clinical Herbalist & Founder of Land of Verse
Laura Ash is a wellness business leader, Clinical Herbalist, feminist, mother, culture advocate, and social entrepreneur.
Laura began her herbal medicine journey in 2000, and has never looked back. Laura became a clinical herbalist in 2005, studying with medical herbalists and folk healers. After living overseas in the UK and East Africa, Laura has felt a sacred obligation to support Indigenous People in their health sovereignty, and in 2011 she started a nonprofit called Herbal Anthropology Project which has protected Maasai Traditional Medicine in Tanzania through the framework of the Traditional Knowledge Division of the World Intellectual Property Organization. In 2015, Laura acquired The Scarlet Sage Herb Co. in San Francisco, built its online presence, and in 2018 launched The Scarlet Sage School of Traditional Healing Arts, while keeping it profitable and community-centered.
Laura founded Land of Verse, an online wellness education marketplace in 2021 to bring trusted voices of the healing arts into the forefront. As a Masterclass for healers, these scalable classes are poised to bring these vetted voices to the masses, engaging people of all levels to experience the power of ancestral remembering.
Laura's professional specialties and passions are helping build profitable & scalable female-owned health and wellness companies, educating the world about holistic wellbeing, herbal medicine product discovery and branding, supporting appropriate cross-cultural relationships, and achieving a triple-bottom-line while having fun.
💫 We cover :
Clinical herbalism 101
Understanding different lineages of herbalism
Deep dive into Western Clinical herbalism: pattern diagnosis, treatment plans, constitutions, medical history
Understanding the intersection of modern research X Western herbalism
Ways that herbalism can compliment Western allopathic medicine
Answering: is a vegan diet healthier for everyone?
Traditional medicine preservation; the importance of this history
Operating as a solo entrepreneur (especially while intersecting tech X healing arts)
Laura’s vision for Land of Verse - an educational platform for the healing arts
The importance of ancestral herbalism; from a historical and scientific point of view
+ MORE
💫 Mentioned in this episode:
Medicinal Herbalism
💫 To connect with Laura :
Instagram: @landofverse
Instagram: @thescarletsage
Land of Verse

Jan 3, 2023 • 24min
028: SOLO EP: navigating limbo, my 2023 goals, & recap of my meditation retreat with Deborah Eden Tull at Esalen
Today is my first ever solo episode! EEEK! I have absolute nerves putting this out there but I feel really called to share a bit about my past week at Esalen and some of the vulnerable breakthroughs that came up. To be frank: the stories of the incredible humans I spent the past week with inspired me to tap into some really profound perspectives. My hope is that this episode and my vulnerable story might do the same for you!
Kasia’s Bio:
Digital health entrepreneur and student of Chinese Medicine, Kasia is on a mission to inspire others to discover their innate authenticity, balance, and holistic health by applying principles of Yin (spirituality) & Yang (activity, productivity) in balance to their own lives. Kasia is excited to finally combine her interests in mindfulness, spirituality, nutrition, personal development, and East Asian medicine into a heart-powered show dedicated to supporting each and every listener.
💫 We cover :
2023 intentions and goals
How to navigate the “place of unknown” and limbo
Some of what I’m calling in this 2023 year
My new process of goal setting
Raw and real story about where I’m at + how this is affecting my life
💫 Mentioned in this episode:
2023 Vision Setting workshop: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/envision-2023-vision-boarding-goal-setting-workshop-tickets-492166742977
Deborah Eden Tull's episode
The Optimist Collective (community)

Dec 20, 2022 • 49min
027: Seasonal living according to Chinese Medicine + how to align with the winter season, w/ Anne Woods LAc, MSTCM of The Garden SF
Anne Woods is a licensed acupuncturist and herbalist in San Francisco. Her approach to modern medicine is gentle and empowering. Rooted in ancient healing modalities such as acupuncture and Eastern medicine, therapeutic movement, nutrition counseling, and herbal medicine, she believes we can teach the physical, emotional, and spiritual body to achieve balance. Anne has a passion for helping people with acute and chronic pain, digestive disorders, hormone imbalances, natural skincare, and stress. Her intention is to help people feel vibrant and alive in their bodies so they can live fully, with peace in their heart and mind. She has been teaching yoga for over 14 years in a variety of styles. When she is not in the clinic, Anne enjoys spending time in the ocean, tending her garden, ceramics, and cooking up nourishing dinners with friends and family.
💫 We cover :
What exactly are the “seasons” in Chinese Medicine?
Defining “seasonal living” as a set of principles
Tapping into the winter season; living in alignment according to Chinese Medicine
What foods to eat, how to move, + internal reflections for winter time
How “slowing down” is just as important as “exercising” and “movement”
What is the “spirit” of winter time?
The organs associated with winter time according to Chinese Medicine + how to nourish them
How to recognize if you’re out of balance with winter according to TCM
So much more!
💫 Mentioned in this episode:
The winter zine link
Check out the: wellness shop at The Garden SF
💫 To connect with Anne:
The Garden SF (wellness clinic)
Instagram
Spotify

Dec 6, 2022 • 51min
026: Purpose, authenticity, & letting go of your ego with the help of mindful awareness - Deborah Eden Tull
Deborah Eden Tull is a Zen meditation/mindfulness teacher, author, spiritual activist and sustainability educator. She spent seven years as a monastic at a silent Zen Monastery, and has been immersed in sustainable communities for 25 years. Eden’s teaching style is grounded in compassionate awareness, non-duality, mindful inquiry, and an unwavering commitment to personal transformation. She teaches dharma intertwined with post-patriarchal thought and practices, resting upon a lived knowledge of our unity with the more than human world. She also facilitates The Work That Reconnects, as created by Buddhist scholar Joanna Macy. Eden has been practicing meditation for the past 30 years and teaching for over 20 years. She is the author of three books, The Natural Kitchen: Your Guide to the Sustainable Food Revolution, Relational Mindfulness: A Handbook for Deepening Our Connection with Ourselves, Each Other, and the Planet, and Luminous Darkness: An Engaged Buddhist Approach to Embracing the Unknown. She lives in Black Mountain,North Carolina and offers retreats, workshops, leadership training, and consultations internationally.
💫 We cover :
Eden’s path; 7 years as a monastic at a Zen Monastery to publishing books, launching an international non profit , and leading retreats
Process vs. product when it comes to creativity & ambition
Interconnection vs. innerconnection
Reframing our perspective on darkness vs. light: in life, within ourselves, difficult emotions, yin vs. yang (restorative vs. active time & energy)
Becoming a channel for your creativity
The journey of “unlearning” to find your purpose
Mindful working + career, bringing balance to our work + spiritual life
How self improvement is a “myth” + finding true freedom
Releasing the ego to tap into greater creativity and the power of “co-creation”
The power of intentions instead of resolutions
Meeting the unknown with curiosity vs. fear
💫 Mentioned in this episode:
The Natural Kitchen: Your Guide to the Sustainable Food Revolution
Relational Mindfulness: A Handbook for Deepening Our Connection with Ourselves, Each Other, and the Planet
Luminous Darkness: An Engaged Buddhist Approach to Embracing the Unknown
💫 Connect with Eden :
YouTube
Deborah Eden Tull’s Website
Facebook
Instagram

Nov 22, 2022 • 52min
025: Unblocking creativity, tapping into essentialism, & finding your truth via the art of Process Painting
For over four decades, Stewart Cubley has pioneered a way of integrative and creative living through the practice of process painting. His method is one of respectful questioning, inviting you to extend yourself into new areas of thought and feeling. Stewart has the ability to meet you where you are and to ask the right question at the right time. He is a down-to-earth teacher whose personal interactions allow you to see yourself differently in ways that can be life changing. Stewart travels throughout the world, teaching his unique approach to thousands of people at personal growth centers such as the Esalen Institute and the Omega Institute. He has brought his work to multinational corporations, programs in prisons and countless other public forums. Stewart is the co-author of Life, Paint & Passion, Reclaiming the Magic of Spontaneous Expression (Tarcher/Putnam). He and his wife, Shae Irving, live in Fairfax, California and spend part of the year on their homestead near Denali Park, Alaska.
💫 We cover :
How what we “resist” may be the door to spiritual awakening
What “painting for process” vs. the product looks like
The process of navigating “unknowns” and creation - the parallels between painting and life
Tapping into and flowing with “energy” as your guide
Process painting as a tool for personal self discovery
Breaking patterns of perfectionism
Reframing “blocks” (writers blocks, creative blocks, etc.)
How the process of creativity can be beneficial to honing our nervous system and getting in touch with your inner child, your authentic self
How to balance the flow of intuition with the practicalities of building a business
Tapping into essentialism; how less might really be more
💫 Mentioned in this episode:
https://www.processarts.com/
Process arts programming: https://www.processarts.com/programs/
💫 To connect with Stewart:
https://www.instagram.com/paintingexperience/
https://www.processarts.com/

Nov 8, 2022 • 46min
024: Asian American Herbalism, Identity herbalism, & plant medicine with Erin Masako Wilkins
Erin Masako Wilkins is an Asian American herbalist and acupuncturist. Her clinical work is rooted in Eastern energetic theory - tapping into her own ancestral healing traditions to empower others to restore health and prevent illness. She has been a practicing herbalist for over a decade specializing in Asian folk remedies and Traditional Chinese Medicine. She is passionate about applying Eastern energetics to domestically grown herbs and herbal medicine.
A seasoned educator, her classes include Asian American herbalism and folk traditions, TCM theory, seasonal wellness, and community care workshops. Erin has a master’s degree from the Acupuncture and Integrative Medicine College in Berkeley, CA. Her book, “Asian American Herbalism: Folk Traditions in Modern Day Practice” is set for publication in Spring 2023. To learn more about her work visit HerbFolkShop.com
💫 We cover :
What is “herbalism” and who is an “herbalist”
Understanding Asian American Herbalism, Western Herbalism, Traditional Chinese Herbalism, and more
Ways to connect to the plants you need
Understanding the energetics of plants (Plus, is coffee really good for you?)
How Clinical Herbalists read their clients & make recommendations
Archetypes in Clinical Herbalism (hot vs. cold, deficient vs. excess)
Climate + location and herbal selections
Understanding “identity” herbalism
Bringing plant medicine into your own life
So much more!
💫 To connect with Erin:
Instagram: @HerbFolkMedicine
https://herbfolkshop.com/