
Deep Transformation
Deep Transformation offers dialogues with cutting-edge thinkers, artists, contemplatives, and activists who combine big-picture, integrative perspectives with profound, contemplative depths. With these remarkable people, we explore the great questions of our time, such as how best to live, and how best to heal, learn, create, and contribute in our era of unprecedented challenges and opportunities.
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Latest episodes

Jul 17, 2025 • 49min
Assault on Democracy: The Legal, Ethical & Spiritual Implications of America’s Democratic Crisis with Mark Fischler (Part 1)
Mark Fischler, a Professor of Ethics and Law, offers a stark analysis of America’s democratic erosion. He stresses that the rule of law is under siege, pointing to alarming political maneuvers and Project 2025’s threats to constitutional integrity. Exploring the intertwining of political influence and historical values, he urges a return to core ideals of inclusivity and justice. Fischler also critiques the role of Christian fundamentalism in current politics and the implications for higher education amid rising anti-racist tensions, highlighting the need for courage and involvement in safeguarding democracy.

Jul 10, 2025 • 40min
A. H. Almaas Wisdom Series (Dialogue 11, Part 2) – The Boundless Dimension of Divine Love: A Potential Available to Us All
A. H. Almaas, a spiritual teacher and founder of The Ridhwan School, explores the limitless realm of divine love. He shares his personal awakening to this profound experience and its impact on our perception of separateness. Discussing the obstacles that prevent access to this boundless love, he highlights how fear and ego can hinder spiritual growth. Almaas contrasts the light of love with darkness, revealing how love is intricately tied to individual purpose. The dialogue emphasizes the transformative power of love in fostering self-awareness and community connection.

Jul 3, 2025 • 41min
A. H. Almaas Wisdom Series (Dialogue 11, Part 1) – The Boundless Dimension of Divine Love: A Potential Available to Us All
A. H. Almaas, the founder of The Ridhwan School and author of spiritual works, dives into the boundless dimension of divine love. He explores how this form of love is a core aspect of our existence but often remains unmanifest. Almaas shares personal experiences that reveal the liberating yet challenging nature of accessing divine love. He discusses the obstacles of separateness and how they intensify after such an awakening. Throughout the conversation, the connection between love, consciousness, and the unity of all beings is profoundly examined.

Jun 26, 2025 • 52min
(Part 2) The Healing Power of Creating Art & Current Politics from an Integral Taoist Perspective with Sally Adnams Jones
Ep. 188 (Part 2 of 2) | Dr. Sally Adnams Jones has pioneered the field of art therapy as an agent of transformation and healing, choosing to work particularly with people living with no economic infrastructure: refugees, and victims of natural disasters, genocide, war, pandemics, and more. What Sally has found is that creating art within a community works miracles for the dispossessed and traumatized, in that it provides an embodied, practical method of engendering feelings of pride, a sense of belonging, finding one’s voice, and perceiving the future as something one can affect and shape. In fact, this work is applicable to everyone everywhere—it is in accessing our creativity that we come to ask, “How do we start to build the world we need?” An Integral Taoist, Sally shares her perspective on the yin and yang of creativity, explaining that ultimately, creativity is emergence working through the human body.At the heart of Integral Taoism is an understanding that the nature of emergence itself is to become aware of your polarity and integrate it. The more you do that, the more creative you become. The discussion transitions from the dance of polarity in creativity to how the polarities of yin and yang are playing out in politics today. Sally is a Canadian therapist and exceptionally well informed about politics—here we gain a perspective on current U.S. – Canadian relations and world politics that is revelatory. Recorded May 29, 2025.“Every single Canadian is deeply traumatized right now.”Topics & Time Stamps – Part 2How the movement between parts and whole, yin and yang, plays out in politics (01:21)The threat to Canada’s sovereignty, what Canada is doing in response, and Canada’s unifying, integral leader (03:12)How did it feel when Trump started talking about annexing Canada? (06:44)Under the Trump regime, the U.S. has become an arms dealer (10:21)How Sally’s growing up in South Africa under constant threat of civil war informs her views of fascism and the reversal of the American ideal of democracy (13:12)Advice for political resisters: establish a line that cannot be crossed (18:54)Coordinated resistance to the U.S. from external sources (24:14)Global politics, macroeconomics, and the rise of authoritarianism (27:36)Misinformation and the radicalization of young white men through the fourth estate (30:22)New challenges we face with fascism, and why American tech bros think Western Civilization is under threat (34:54)The future: who has control of the skies? (39:49)What is the most strategic thing one can do? (41:16)How do you stay grounded and balanced? Learning self-regulation, connecting with nature (43:56)Resources & References – Part 2Sally Adnams Jones, Art-Making with Refugees and Survivors: Creative and Transformative Responses to Trauma After Natural Disasters, War and Other CrisesSally’s website: sallyadnamsjones.com Sally’s podcast: Radical EmergenceGandhi and Non-violenceNelson Mandela: The Freedom Fighter (YouTube documentary)Sinclair Lewis, It Can’t Happen HereFrank Zappa & the Mothers of Invention, “It Can’t Happen Here”Great Replacement conspiracy theory---Dr. Sally Adnams Jones is an Expressive Arts Therapist, Psycho-Spiritual Educator, podcaster, writer, and artist. A South African-Canadian, Sally lives on Vancouver Island, amongst the old-growth forest, owls, elk, and wild lupines. Her interests are in human development; the phenomenology of creativity; the emergence of intelligent, natural systems; her grandchildren; and a healthy future for all. Sally has developed a theory called Integral Taoism that explores polarity as a cosmic principle of emergence, including through human sexuality, power dynamics, and creative flow. You can find her at her website, sallyadnamsjones.com; her podcast, radicalemergence.org; on YouTube at Dr Sally Adnams Jones; or read her book, Art-Making with Refugees and Survivors: Creative and Transformative Responses to Trauma After Natural Disasters, War and Other Crises.---Podcast produced by Vanessa Santos and Show Notes by Heidi Mitchell

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Jun 19, 2025 • 49min
The Healing Power of Creating Art & Current Politics from an Integral Taoist Perspective with Sally Adnams Jones (Part 1)
Sally Adnams Jones is a South African-Canadian expressive arts therapist and pioneer in transformative creativity. She shares how art serves as a powerful healing tool for marginalized communities, fostering connection and agency. The discussion also touches on the integral duality of creativity, linking it to current political dynamics in North America. Sally draws on her experiences as an Integral Taoist, emphasizing the balance of strength and surrender and the necessity of embracing polarity in both art and politics.

Jun 12, 2025 • 48min
Miranda Macpherson (Part 2) - Wake Up and Love: Becoming Vessels of Grace
Ep. 186 (Part 2 of 2) | In this lively, mind and heart-opening conversation, Miranda Macpherson, contemporary spiritual teacher and author, shares the extraordinary wisdom she has gained from experience—both from the initial life-changing transmission of boundless love she received in Ramana Maharshi’s cave, and from the subsequent need for integration of the deeper truths that were revealed upon being called back “down the mountain,” back to the West to teach and serve. For her, the trick of navigating ordinary life without reconstructing an ego boiled down to three words: What’s needed now? Miranda discusses how to show up in the world of today and not let resistance to right action win. “Wake up and love,” she offers. “Take inventory, ask, is there anything in the way of me being openhearted and awake in this moment?” She explains a practice she developed called ego relaxation, emphasizes the power of devotion—the source of strength, love, courage, and motivation—and shares several of the key questions she asks herself in her own practice to keep her receptive to existential grace. Miranda’s inspiring teachings are infused with her foundational sense of divine benevolence; “Grace is alive!” she tells us. And being human, we can embody grace; we can become “grace delivery devices.” Recorded November 1, 2024.“Being human is a grace delivery device.”Topics & Time Stamps – Part 2After the ascent the descent; "coming down the mountain" (01:28)The power of devotion (04:12)A mantra carries with it the love, spiritual energy, and devotion of countless beings before us (06:28)The power of pilgrimages (08:58)Miranda’s practice now: Can I open my heart to all the suffering, let it be understood more completely, and be transformed? (12:22)Wake up and love: ask "Is there anything in the way of me being openhearted and awake in the now?" (15:44)Practicing with our blind spots (18:46)Multitasking is a disaster for spiritual practice (20:22)Ramana Maharshi’s transmission in the cave: Be nothing, do nothing, get nothing… be as you are. Rest in God. (22:24)Ego relaxation as a practice (23:40)Showing up and resting in God at the same time (26:50)The divine dance—here we are, learning how to be the best human beings we can be (30:41)The divine force always brings forth what is needed, but the gate is humility and surrender (34:24)What helps us into a posture of humility? (35:39)Appreciating Roger Walsh: do-er and be-er, curious and humble (38:15)Being human is a “grace delivery device;” embodying grace—grace is alive! (40:35)The importance of yes, of thank you (43:38)Resources & References – Part 2Miranda’s website: MirandaMacpherson.com, The Living Grace Global SanghaMiranda Macpherson, The Way of Grace: The Transforming Power of Ego RelaxationA. H. Almaas (Hameed Ali), founder of The Ridhwan School, home of The Diamond Approach, see also Deep Transformation podcast’s A. H. Almaas Wisdom Series (also available on YouTube)Rupert Sheldrake, Science and Spiritual Practices: Transformative Experiences and Their Effects on Our Bodies, Brains, and HealthAndrew Harvey, author & founder of the Institute for Sacred Activism, The Hope (free audiobook)Ramana Maharshi, Indian sage and liberated being, 1879-1950G. I. Gurdjieff, In Search of Being: The Fourth Way to ConsciousnessA Course in Miracles, Helen Schucman and the Foundation for Inner PeaceSri Aurobindo, The Life DivineRoger’s article looking at A Course of Miracles through a Hindu lens: The Perennial Wisdom of A Course in MiraclesRoger Walsh & Frances Vaughan’s book of excerpts from A Course of Miracles, Accept this Gift ---Miranda Macpherson is a contemporary spiritual teacher who has been guiding others into direct experience of the sacred for over thirty years internationally. In her twenties she founded the OneSpirit Interfaith Foundation in London, where she trained and ordained over 600 ministers and counsellors. Today Miranda leads the Living Grace Global Sangha, leads retreats internationally, broadcasts extensively, and serves as core faculty at The Shift Network. Unapologetically feminine, joyful, and down to earth in her way of being, Miranda is dedicated to loving people all the way back into the freedom and wholeness of our true nature.Miranda’s books include The Way of Grace: the Transforming Power of Ego Relaxation (Sounds True), Boundless Love (Rider) and Meditations on Boundless Love (Sounds True), and the Cultivating Grace Card Deck. Miranda is also a kirtan musician and singer with two mantra albums: Streams of Grace and The Heart of Being. Find out more at www.mirandamacpherson.com.---Podcast produced by Vanessa Santos and Show Notes by Heidi Mitchell

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Jun 5, 2025 • 47min
Miranda Macpherson (Part 1) – Wake Up and Love: Becoming Vessels of Grace
Miranda Macpherson, a contemporary spiritual teacher and author, shares her journey from depression to divine awakening after receiving a profound transmission of love in Ramana Maharshi’s cave. She discusses the crucial practice of ego relaxation and emphasizes the importance of being open-hearted in our daily lives. Through personal stories, she explores navigating existential crises, the role of devotion, and how to embody grace as 'grace delivery devices.' Her inspiring insights encourage listeners to engage with uncertainty while fostering compassion and understanding.

May 29, 2025 • 41min
A. H. Almaas Wisdom Series (Dialogue 10, Part 2) – Opening to the Absolute: The Mystery That Liberates
Ep. 184 (Part 2 of 2) | In the tenth dialogue of the A. H. Almaas Wisdom Series, Hameed Ali addresses what co-host Roger Walsh calls perhaps Inner Journey Home’s most profound chapter of all, the chapter on True Nature, as well as subjects he writes about in his autobiographical fragment, Luminous Night’s Journey. In the second turning of the Diamond Approach teaching, we transition from exploring individual true nature to boundless true nature—the absolute, ground of all manifestation. Following the mystery of truth, you come to absolute truth, Hameed tells us, and you find a mystery that not only liberates but makes everything happen. Hameed describes the absolute as the radiant blackness before the light, its luminosity awareness, and relates how, in the absolute, the feeling of intimacy is palpable. Here, the soul recognizes “I am home.”Hameed relates how being and nonbeing are integrated, and about how time and space emerge out of true nature. Every moment is a new creation, he explains, not formed by the past or present, but new, instant to instant, from nonbeing to being. Hameed says true nature is the essence of freedom, and that in these troubled times the important thing is to recognize “I am free” and ultimately indestructible, and to be ourselves, grounded by the truth of our inner nature. Towards the end of the conversation, co-host John Dupuy asks Hameed, “What motivates you? Why aren’t you simply hanging out being true nature?” Hameed laughs and responds, “I am.” Recorded April 10, 2025.“The idea is to be free. Inwardly.”Topics & Time Stamps – Part 2Beingness is what Hameed calls presence; everything is both being and non-being (00:52)Being in the world but not of this world (04:12)The effects of studying Reichian therapy and breathwork on Hameed’s experience and way of teaching (06:32)The body needs to be open and at ease to experience presence; this is why yoga is widely practiced in East Indian traditions (09:17)Is having an ego a necessary stage for waking up? (13:01)Space and time are created by true nature, even though it is timeless (14:43)True nature is the essence of freedom; it is “radically unqualifiable” (19:38)The depths of our experience set the limit on our intellectual understanding (22:53)In these troubled times, the important thing is to recognize “I am free” and be ourselves, grounded by the truth of our inner nature (25:07)Profound equanimity allows deeper compassion to emerge (28:29)The values of true nature are fundamental and eternal; how do we manifest these all the time? (29:20)After all the amazing, mind-shattering realizations, life becomes ordinary and simple (32:21)What motivates Hameed now? (35:24)Resources & References – Part 2A. H. Almaas (Hameed Ali), founder of The Ridhwan School, home of The Diamond ApproachA. H. Almaas, The Inner Journey Home: Soul’s Realization of the Unity of RealityA. H. Almaas, Luminous Night’s Journey: An Autobiographical FragmentSri Nisargadatta Maharaj, I Am ThatMahamudraWilhem Reich, Reichian therapyNāgārjuna, central philosopher of Mahayana BuddhismPlato’s cardinal virtuesThe Ten Ox Herding Pictures from the Zen traditionViktor Frankl, “Everything can be taken away from one except…” The A. H. Almaas Wisdom Series will generally follow the sequence of Hameed’s magnum opus, The Inner Journey Home (which John describes as psychoactive and spiritually, psychologically, and intellectually transformative), so listeners may want to get a copy of this book, to study and follow along on this exhilarating path of awakening.---Hameed Ali (A. H. Almaas) was born in Kuwait in 1944. At the age of eighteen, he moved to the U.S. to study at the University of California in Berkeley. Hameed was working on his Ph.D. in physics when he reached a turning point in his life and destiny that led him to inquire into the psychological and spiritual aspects of human nature rather than the physical nature of the universe. He left the academic world to pursue an in-depth journey of inner discovery, applying his scientific precision and discipline to personal, experiential research. This included study with different teachers in different modalities, extensive reading, and continuous study of his own consciousness in an effort to understand the essential nature of human experience and reality in general.Hameed’s process of exploration led to the creation of the Ridhwan School and, with his colleague Karen Johnson, resulted in the founding and unfoldment of the Diamond Approach. He is the author of 20 books, including Nondual Love: Awakening to the Loving Nature of Reality, Love Unveiled: Discovering the Essence of the Awakened Heart, Keys to the Enneagram: How to Unlock the Highest Potential of Every Personality Type, The Unfolding Now: Realizing Your True Nature through the Practice of Presence, and more.---Podcast produced by Vanessa Santos and Show Notes by Heidi Mitchell

May 22, 2025 • 41min
A. H. Almaas Wisdom Series (Dialogue 10, Part 1) – Opening to the Absolute: The Mystery That Liberates
Ep. 183 (Part 1 of 2) | In the tenth dialogue of the A. H. Almaas Wisdom Series, Hameed Ali addresses what co-host Roger Walsh calls perhaps Inner Journey Home’s most profound chapter of all, the chapter on True Nature, as well as subjects he writes about in his autobiographical fragment, Luminous Night’s Journey. In the second turning of the Diamond Approach teaching, we transition from exploring individual true nature to boundless true nature—the absolute, ground of all manifestation. Following the mystery of truth, you come to absolute truth, Hameed tells us, and you find a mystery that not only liberates but makes everything happen. Hameed describes the absolute as the radiant blackness before the light, its luminosity awareness, and relates how, in the absolute, the feeling of intimacy is palpable. Here, the soul recognizes “I am home.”Hameed relates how being and nonbeing are integrated, and about how time and space emerge out of true nature. Every moment is a new creation, he explains, not formed by the past or present, but new, instant to instant, from nonbeing to being. Hameed says true nature is the essence of freedom, and that in these troubled and times the important thing is to recognize “I am free” and ultimately indestructible, and to be ourselves, grounded by the truth of our inner nature. Towards the end of the conversation, co-host John Dupuy asks Hameed, “What motivates you? Why aren’t you simply hanging out being true nature?” Hameed laughs and responds, “I am.” Recorded April 10, 2025.“In the absolute, everything dissolves; the absolute is the universal solvent.”Topics & Time Stamps – Part 1Introducing the 10th dialogue in the A. H. Almaas Wisdom Series, focusing on The Inner Journey Home‘s chapter, True Nature (00:55)What is the phenomenological experience of presence? (02:07)The soul can feel like presence—but more often it is structured by our history and appears as our ego self (05:14)Presence is the true nature of everything: perfect, complete, totally blissful (06:24)Love of truth naturally appears in the heart along the inner journey (09:04)The concern with talking about true nature is if you describe it, people look for something that isn’t it (11:57)Hameed wrote Luminous Night’s Journey to elucidate the experience of the soul, the absolute, and how soul and absolute are integrated (13:48)In the second turning of the teaching, we transition from individual true nature to boundless true nature: the absolute, the ground of all manifestation (18:11)The visible and invisible, manifest and unmanifest (19:58)Everything happens not from present to future, but from nonbeing to being (21:04)Everything dissolves in the absolute: it is the universal solvent (21:41)The absolute is the luminous, radiant blackness before the light (24:57)In the absolute, the soul recognizes “I am home” (26:47)Looking into the absolute, there is nothing; looking away from it, you see the manifest (28:48)The concept and experience of cessation (30:44)Hameed’s distinction between consciousness and awareness (32:40)Awareness = luminosity + emptiness (34:25)Emptiness is not empty space, it’s being and nonbeing unified (36:39)Resources & References – Part 1A. H. Almaas (Hameed Ali), founder of The Ridhwan School, home of The Diamond ApproachA. H. Almaas, The Inner Journey Home: Soul’s Realization of the Unity of RealityA. H. Almaas, Luminous Night’s Journey: An Autobiographical FragmentFourth Way teacher E.J. Gold, The American Book of the DeadSaccidānanda, a description of the subjective experience of ultimate unchanging reality: existence, consciousness, blissSt. John of the Cross, “The Dark Night of the Soul” (poem)DharmakāyaSri Nisargadatta Maharaj, I Am That, “Every moment is a new creation.”The cessation of perception as recognized by the Buddha (Wisdom Library website)Fana, the Sufi experience of cessationNirodha refers to the cessation or renouncing of craving and desire; it is the third of the Four Noble TruthsDzogchenThe A. H. Almaas Wisdom Series will generally follow the sequence of Hameed’s magnum opus, The Inner Journey Home (which John describes as psychoactive and spiritually, psychologically, and intellectually transformative), so listeners may want to get a copy of this book, to study and follow along on this exhilarating path of awakening.---Hameed Ali (A. H. Almaas) was born in Kuwait in 1944. At the age of eighteen, he moved to the U.S. to study at the University of California in Berkeley. Hameed was working on his Ph.D. in physics when he reached a turning point in his life and destiny that led him to inquire into the psychological and spiritual aspects of human nature rather than the physical nature of the universe. He left the academic world to pursue an in-depth journey of inner discovery, applying his scientific precision and discipline to personal, experiential research. This included study with different teachers in different modalities, extensive reading, and continuous study of his own consciousness in an effort to understand the essential nature of human experience and reality in general.Hameed’s process of exploration led to the creation of the Ridhwan School and, with his colleague Karen Johnson, resulted in the founding and unfoldment of the Diamond Approach. He is the author of 20 books, including Nondual Love: Awakening to the Loving Nature of Reality, Love Unveiled: Discovering the Essence of the Awakened Heart, Keys to the Enneagram: How to Unlock the Highest Potential of Every Personality Type, The Unfolding Now: Realizing Your True Nature through the Practice of Presence, and more. ---Podcast produced by Vanessa Santos and Show Notes by Heidi Mitchell

May 15, 2025 • 37min
Robert Lawrence Kuhn (Part 2) – Exploring the Mysteries of Consciousness: Asking Life’s Big Questions
Robert Lawrence Kuhn, creator and host of the PBS series "Closer to Truth," dives deep into humanity's most profound questions about consciousness and existence. He describes exploring over 200 theories of consciousness, revealing how inquiry generates more questions rather than answers. Kuhn emphasizes the importance of diverse worldviews and the unifying power of these discussions across cultures. He also shares transformative experiences in nature that elevate consciousness, blending art, philosophy, and human connection.