

Model Minority Moms
Kate Wang, Susan Lieu, Jeanette Park
Welcome to Model Minority Moms where we reckon with the myth of success in career, family and life. We’re Jeanette, Kate, and Susan - Harvard classmates and Asian American working moms who get real about the pressures of fitting in while standing out.
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Model Minority Moms is a project of Real Life Media LLC.
https://modelminoritymoms.com
Model Minority Moms is a project of Real Life Media LLC.
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Aug 15, 2025 • 1h 22min
Ep118: Going on 40 (wrap up) - lessons learned and looking forward
**Special note to our listeners** Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going! Become a paid subscriber through our Substack. Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience.THANK YOU to our super awesome listeners who have already signed up!------------------------------------------------Now that we've all officially turned 40, we're wrapping up this series by reflecting on the lessons we've learned. Here's the TLDR of Part 1 (but of course, you'll have to listen to get the juicy bits :p ).Relationships (romantic relationships and friendships): - If someone doesn't treat you well in a relationship, the cause is roughly as likely to be their own baggage as it is yours.- Sometimes you're attracted to someone for the wrong reasons (you're projecting your issues on them, you want to "save" them)- Working on yourself and pursuing the things you want and love are probably the best path to finding a good partner.- At some point in a romantic relationship, you might want to get the Eight Dates book by Gottman and have those critical conversations before investing further.- It's ok if not everyone likes you. You can (and probably should) consider their perspectives but you don't have to be a slave to them.- Boundaries can be a form of care for yourself and others in that they keep relationships sustainable. They acknowledge that everyone has limits.- Sometimes, when you see people struggling, they may not want or need a "fix" at that time. They may need someone to just be with them, listen to them or give them space.Career and work outside of family:- Try to get more clarity early on in your real interests, goals and motivations.- A sizeable chunk of career decisions and issues (risk taking, financial considerations, building relationships with peers and senior people) may be traced back to your personal issues.

Aug 1, 2025 • 50min
Ep117: Going on 40... has the role of career changed for you? (Part 2)
**Special note to our listeners** Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going! Become a paid subscriber through our Substack. Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience.THANK YOU to our super awesome listeners who have already signed up!**********************************When you're a high-achieving 22 year old coming out of college, you have all kinds of assumptions about your future work life that you don't even know. You think you will follow your passions (because, of course you know what they are). You will make tons of money (because that just automatically happens to everyone who goes to a great school). You will always be able to devote yourself to your work (because you know, kids don't need any of your time, energy and attention). You and your partner will always agree on how income-earning responsibilities, family responsibilities, and your personal preferences should balance out (because there's a simple equation for that - didn't you know?) In this 2-part episode, we unpack our reflections about our work life at 40, what we did, why we think we did what we did, what we regret, what surprised us, what we learned and how we are looking forward.

Jul 18, 2025 • 45min
Ep116: Going on 40... has the role of career changed for you? (Part 1)
**Special note to our listeners** Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going! Become a paid subscriber through our Substack. Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience.THANK YOU to our super awesome listeners who have already signed up!**********************************When you're a high-achieving 22 year old coming out of college, you have all kinds of assumptions about your future work life that you don't even know. You think you will follow your passions (because, of course you know what they are). You will make tons of money (because that just automatically happens to everyone who goes to a great school). You will always be able to devote yourself to your work (because you know, kids don't need any of your time, energy and attention). You and your partner will always agree on how income-earning responsibilities, family responsibilities, and your personal preferences should balance out (because there's a simple equation for that - didn't you know?) In this 2-part episode, we unpack our reflections about our work life at 40, what we did, why we think we did what we did, what we regret, what surprised us, what we learned and how we are looking forward.

Jul 4, 2025 • 1h 7min
Ep115: Going on 40... body surprises
**Special note to our listeners** Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going! Become a paid subscriber through our Substack. Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience.THANK YOU to our super awesome listeners who have already signed up!******************************Peeing yourself. Hair loss. Boob deflation. Hokas. Turning grey. To Spanx or not to spanx? Yeah we're not spring chickens anymore but we're also not.... quite... old? We give the real talk on what's going on with our bodies as we hit 40... the weird, the beautiful, the ugly, the contradictory and the funny... in true MMM fashion.

Jun 20, 2025 • 53min
Ep114: Going on 40… or 14 when we're with our parents and siblings
**Special note to our listeners** Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going! Become a paid subscriber through our Substack. Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience.THANK YOU to our super awesome listeners who have already signed up!****************One learning from getting older is that you realize that just because people age, doesn't mean they continue to mature or evolve. This can be especially true for issues tied to our families of origin. We might be 14, 40 or 80 but when those old dynamics are triggered, we can be right back where we were as a kid, being shamed, scared, alone and we revert back to old coping behaviors. In this episode, we talk through where we are with our families of origin and how it has (or hasn't changed) in the last 20 years.

Jun 6, 2025 • 1h 9min
Ep113: Going on 40... Midlife Crises... are more understandable now?
**Special note to our listeners** Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going! Become a paid subscriber through our Substack. Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience.****************Let us explain. No, we haven't bought a red convertible, had an affair or gotten a divorce. But reaching this stage of life, what we once looked as a somewhat baffling, even humorous, stereotype of modern American life... makes a little more sense to us. Or at least we feel like we could see how someone landed there. We take a deep-dive into what we think counts as a mid-life crisis, what we think causes it and how maybe, just maybe, we can channel it into more productive ends. Or to justify that basement pottery studio that you've been dreaming of :)

May 23, 2025 • 1h 31min
Ep112: Going on 40... is success an existential mirage?
**Special note to our listeners** Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going! Become a paid subscriber through our Substack. Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience.****************As we turn the corner into mid-life, we're talking about the questions we're wrestling with at 40 - Am I living a "successful" life? How am I doing with my complicated family of origin? What the f is going on with my body? Midlife crises, anyone?In the first of our series, we tackle a big question: what does it mean to live, and die, successfully? It leads us to some weird places - Gene Hackman, Bryan Johnson who wants to live forever, Lady Gaga and how "success", contentment and happiness might be closer than we think.

May 6, 2025 • 1h 27min
Ep111: Picking a kindergarten... who's this actually about?
**Special note to our listeners** Love the show? Help us keep the conversation going! Become a paid subscriber through our Substack. Your contributions help us continue to make content on issues related to the Asian-American, immigrant, modern parent experience.****************Kindergarten…you think it's far away until it's not. All of a sudden you're faced with a myriad of decisions that you have to research. You may also experience intense anxiety as you worry if you're setting your kid on the right path. What makes for a good elementary school anyway? Is it a warm environment? Diversity? Test scores? How selective it is? Bilingual? Convenient? A PTA vibe that jives? Is this really about your kid or about you?We're going through it now and whether it's pretty or not, we give you the real talk on where we are landing on the big K-question.

Apr 25, 2025 • 1h 21min
Ep110: To have a baby or not to have a baby, that is the question
Justine Ang Fonte, an award-winning sex educator and professor, reflects on her complex journey of deciding to have children. She discusses the emotional and societal pressures that accompany this choice, including her use of spreadsheets and therapy to navigate her decision. Justine shares insights into the evolving desires around parenthood and the impact of relationships on these choices. The conversation also touches on the importance of self-care and community support, especially for those contemplating their parenting paths.

Apr 11, 2025 • 1h 38min
Ep109: Talking to your kids about S-E-X - Interview with Justine Ang Fonte, M.Ed. MPH, a K-12 sexuality educator and author
For many millennials, sex education was about awkwardly passing around a banana with a condom on it in PE class or carrying around a sack of flour pretending it was a baby. We want to do it better for our kids, OBVIOUSLY, but... do we really know how to do it better?We are excited to welcome Justine Ang Fonte on the show. She was featured in the New York Times about her work bringing sex ed to New York City's private schools (as well as the controversy she encountered with some parents). She is also the voice and author of the Audible Original How to Talk to Your Kids about Sex. Drawing on her 15 years of experience teaching kids about safety, affirmation and joy in their emotional and physical relationships, she offers some tangible tips for parents who are dreading "the talk" (psst - one tip is that it actually turns out it's not just one big talk, it's a series of mini talks over time).