

Model Minority Moms
Kate Wang, Susan Lieu, Jeanette Park
Welcome to Model Minority Moms where we reckon with the myth of success in career, family and life. We’re Jeanette, Kate, and Susan - Harvard classmates and Asian American working moms who get real about the pressures of fitting in while standing out.
https://modelminoritymoms.com
Model Minority Moms is a project of Real Life Media LLC.
https://modelminoritymoms.com
Model Minority Moms is a project of Real Life Media LLC.
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Apr 11, 2025 • 1h 38min
Ep109: Talking to your kids about S-E-X - Interview with Justine Ang Fonte, M.Ed. MPH, a K-12 sexuality educator and author
For many millennials, sex education was about awkwardly passing around a banana with a condom on it in PE class or carrying around a sack of flour pretending it was a baby. We want to do it better for our kids, OBVIOUSLY, but... do we really know how to do it better?We are excited to welcome Justine Ang Fonte on the show. She was featured in the New York Times about her work bringing sex ed to New York City's private schools (as well as the controversy she encountered with some parents). She is also the voice and author of the Audible Original How to Talk to Your Kids about Sex. Drawing on her 15 years of experience teaching kids about safety, affirmation and joy in their emotional and physical relationships, she offers some tangible tips for parents who are dreading "the talk" (psst - one tip is that it actually turns out it's not just one big talk, it's a series of mini talks over time).

Mar 28, 2025 • 1h 10min
Ep108: Our 100th(-ish) episode retrospective
In true MMM fashion, we are releasing our look-back conversation on releasing our 100th episode... on episode 108 X_X. We talk about what keeps us going with the show (psst - its not the big bucks), what our partners think of it, what topics we've considered but decided NOT to do, what our listeners have shared with us, our favorite episodes (it's so hard to choose!), our controversial name, what our pie-in-the-sky dreams for the show would be, and more. Hope you enjoy and sending <3 <3 <3

Mar 14, 2025 • 1h 33min
Ep107: Stuck in a career rut? Burnt out? Don't know what to do next? Interview with executive coach Minal Mehta of The Ineffable Leader
Minal Mehta, founder of The Ineffable Leader and seasoned executive coach, shares her insights on overcoming career burnout while juggling motherhood. She discusses the intricacies of balancing ambition with parental duties and the prevalent cultural pressures faced by women, particularly those from immigrant backgrounds. Minal emphasizes the journey of self-discovery, the importance of recognizing one's intrinsic value, and the need to shift from a scarcity mindset to one of abundance. Her practical strategies inspire listeners to embrace their authentic selves in both life and career.

Feb 28, 2025 • 50min
Ep106: Introducing: Add to Cart with with Susan Lieu
We're so excited to share with you our first collab with another podcast - Add to Cart! Susan was a guest on the show to discuss her book, her love of Costco and her grumblings about the rising price of matcha lattes :)Listen to the trifecta of the Asian Aunties as Susan Lieu joins SuChin Pak and Kulap Vilaysack on this episode of Add to Cart. Susan talks about writing her first memoir, “The Manicurist’s Daughter,” which chronicles her search for answers after losing her mother to a botched tummy tuck. It’s an emotionally raw conversation that will leave you hopeful that generational healing is just as real as the trauma. Then, the Aunties dive into her cart, which is truly an ode to Costco and its generous return policy. Susan also shares her solution to inflating matcha latte prices. Lemonada has teamed up with Apple Books to bring you the Lemonada Book Club. “The Manicurist’s Daughter” by Susan Lieu is our audiobook of the month! Listen here.To hear more episodes, follow Add to Cart wherever you get your podcasts or head to: https://lemonada.lnk.to/atcfd

Feb 14, 2025 • 1h 29min
Ep105: Considering marriage counseling? Talking to Jessica Sather, a licensed marriage and family therapist in Emotionally Focused Therapy
If you've been with your partner for awhile now, you may realize that there are certain conflict patterns that happen over and over. He does something that pisses you off, you bring it up, he does X, you do Y, so on and so on, over and over again. Or vice versa :p Or you guys are just so tired from parenthood, work, continued disappointment or dealing with things from the past that you have just settled into a pattern of burying feelings. Have you ever considered marriage counseling? :/On today's show, we talk to Jessica Sather who is a Filipina-American mom and licensed marriage and family therapist trained in the Emotionally Focused Therapy (EFT) modality. We talk through the common issues she sees in couples and the EFT approach in trying to get a little deeper into the reasons underlying our conflict patterns and reformulate them for (hopefully) a better relationship with our partner where we feel mutually seen, understood and supported.To contact Jessica, please see her website: www.mabuhaytherapy.com She is a fully-licensed MA, LMFT therapist who can see patients in Washington State and California.

Jan 31, 2025 • 1h 21min
Ep104: Suchin Pak - MTV host, mom, what it means to be married in sickness and in health
Do you remember watching MTV as a teenager and noticing that one of the hosts was kick-ass Asian-American young woman named Suchin Pak? Well, guess what - WE HAVE HER ON OUR SHOW TODAY and we go deep on her unexpected path to MTV, what it was like to work that job for over a decade, what life is like for her now as a mother of two, and the winding journey she's been on with her husband who has been battling a severe and mysterious auto immune disease for the past several years. It's a doozy of a conversation and we hope that you enjoy it and that it brings back memories of seeing Suchin rocking so many cute outfits on MTV in the early aughts.
To get more about Suchin, check out:
- Add to Cart podcast, which she co-hosts with Kulap Vilaysack who we also recently had on the show
- IG: @suchinpak
- Men's Health article penned by Suchin's husband Mike Bender about his health journey

Jan 17, 2025 • 1h 50min
Ep103: How your mental health affects your wealth
Do you ever wonder why it's so hard for you or your partner to stick to a budget? Or organize your finances? Or even talk about money? Do you read tons of financial advice but struggle to actually do it? Or do you tend to stick your head in the sand and hope it will all work out?
In this episode (our first *video* episode!), we talk to Shang Saavedra, the author of the recently released book called Wealth Is A Mindset. She has coached over 200 households into a dignified retirement and taught over 8,000 individuals on how to achieve financial freedom through her courses. We talk about how our upbringing and our mental health are so intrinsically tied in with how we manage (or don't manage) our finances.
To learn more about Shang's work, please check out the following:
- Book: Wealth Is A Mindset
- IG: @savemycents
- savemycents.com

Jan 3, 2025 • 1h 26min
Ep102: What it's like to be an Asian-American psychiatrist
We talk a lot about mental health and we thought it was about time to bring on a real mental health expert on the show, preferably someone who also has personal familiarity with the Asian American experience. What do you think of psychiatric medication? Do you ever see any Asian-Americans who are our parents generation (and what is THAT like???) What do your parents think about what you do? How do you deal with the stigma of mental health treatment in the Asian community?
We discussed these questions and more with Grace Liu, a Stanford-trained psychiatrist and Chinese-American mom. She brought a very thoughtful and frank take on all of these questions and we loved having her on the show! If you are interested in following up with her after listening to the episode, she can be found here:
www.graceliumd.com

Dec 20, 2024 • 1h 26min
Ep101: Your Uterus is Not Hysterical - how men having dumb ideas about women's health has led to the situation we are in today
Have you ever wondered why the term "hysterectomy" sounds so similar to the word "hysteria"? Well it turns out it's because the ancient Greeks thought that the root of all of emotional troubles for women were due to a uterus that just wandered around the woman's body if it wasn't kept busy with enough sex and pregnancies. Tune into this hysterical (pun intended) interview with author and OBGYN expert Dr. Karen Tang as we discuss her new book "It's Not Hysteria: Everything You Need to Know About Your Reproductive Health (but were never told)". We ask her about the OBGYN questions we still don't have answers to, the challenges facing women's health research and care, and why all of us know the word for penis in our mother tongue but none of us know the word for vagina.
To learn more about Dr. Karen Tang's work:
- Get her book at Amazon
- Follow her on IG @karentangmd

Dec 6, 2024 • 1h 13min
Ep100: Finding out the truth about her parents - guest interview with actress, comedian and producer Kulap Vilaysack
Kulap Vilaysack is a bit of a unicorn. She's a Laotian-American actress, comedian and show creator who has directed and produced hit shows like Bajillion Dollar Propertie$. She even has a real DC Comics superhero inspired by her, Katharsis! She also created a documentary about her family called Origin Story, where she tells the story of her father who she learned wasn't her biological dad when she was 14, her complicated mother who fled Laos as a refugee, and her biological dad whom she does not remember.
She's also a mom who went through a long and arduous fertility journey. If you can't tell yet, she's a bad-ass 2nd generation Asian-American woman who tells it like it is. We are so honored to have her on the show to talk about what it was like to face her family's secrets and how that has connected to her journey of becoming a mother herself.
To learn more about Kulap and follow her work, check out the following:
- Watch Origin Story on Amazon Prime
- Check out the Add to Cart podcast, where Kulap and her co-host give their "subversive take on consumerism."