

Per My Last Email
Morning Brew
Is it okay to ask your coworker how much they make? Is Gen Z set up for failure in the workplace? Should you really bring your whole self to work? Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew's resident career experts Kaila and Kyle—whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit, and startup sectors—debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them.
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Aug 18, 2025 • 39min
Can You Get Wealthy With Just Your 9 to 5 Job Anymore?
The discussion revolves around the shifting landscape of wealth creation in today’s job market. Is the American Dream still alive or has it transformed? Kaila and Kyle explore how younger generations perceive wealth, emphasizing non-traditional career paths. They weigh the benefits of equity in startups against stable salaries and urge listeners to redefine expectations around financial success. Moreover, the conversation highlights the significance of having a financial safety net and aligning career choices with personal values for long-term happiness.

Aug 11, 2025 • 37min
Balancing Friendship Inside & Outside of Work, with Morning Brew Daily’s Neal Freyman & Toby Howell
In this episode, Kaila and Kyle are joined by Morning Brew Daily hosts Neal Freyman and Toby Howell to talk about a subject they know better than anyone—the reality of having a work bestie. Listen to hear Neal and Toby share the story of how they went from colleagues, to friends, to podcast co-hosts, and the unexpected benefits and potential drawbacks of having such a tight working relationship.
00:00 Intro
02:09 How Neal and Toby originally became friends
07:58 How being both friends and colleagues has affected their work
10:12 Developing the Morning Brew Daily show
13:31 On the period that Toby and Neal were together 24/7
16:14 Advice for someone unsure about cultivating a deep friendship at work
20:30 The difference between having work friends at a small company versus a larger one
23:00 Neal and Toby answer questions from their own Morning Brew Daily production team
29:41 Game:
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Aug 4, 2025 • 40min
What Parental Leave is Actually Like
In this episode, Kaila and Kyle discuss Kyle’s experience of paternity leave so far, what’s been the most surprising to him, and how he’s feeling about returning to his 9 to 5.
00:00 Intro
01:32 Stats on maternity vs. paternity leave in the U.S.
05:02 Research on the impact of taking paternity leave on a father’s brain
08:11 How pat leave has been for Kyle
13:53 Kyle’s feelings around returning to work
18:24 How boundaries shift after paternity leave
23:37 How Kaila’s thinking about parental leave
33:41 The systemic problem that lack of parental leave policy in the U.S. is creating
This episode was sponsored by Gamma. Try Gamma now at https://gamma.app/partners/pmle
Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/
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Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app!
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Jul 28, 2025 • 32min
Business IS Personal, and Other Non-Obvious Truths
The hosts dive into surprising truths about work that challenge common perceptions. They discuss the intricacies of workplace exploitation, particularly for Gen Z, highlighting the risks and boundaries essential for career growth. The conversation shifts to 'personality hires' and how charisma must complement job performance to bolster team dynamics. Lastly, they emphasize the power of vulnerability in professional success and share a clever productivity hack for enhancing efficiency.

Jul 21, 2025 • 38min
The 4 Types of Jobs Everyone Should Experience at Least Once
Discover the four essential job types that can shape your career. The hosts delve into the balance of prestige versus personal fulfillment while working for prestigious brands. They highlight the growth opportunities in challenging roles, especially in startups. The significance of agency in the workplace is explored, emphasizing the need for supportive environments. Plus, don't miss Kaila's hilarious work fail of the week!

Jul 14, 2025 • 38min
Why Office Politics Can Actually Be a Good Thing
In this episode, Kaila and Kyle discuss the ins and outs of office politics, what it REALLY is, and how to improve on your office politicking skills in order to advance your career.
00:00 Intro
03:09 The two buckets of office politics
07:48 Can you opt out of office politics?
10:24 Advice for groups who face more biases in the workplace
12:57 MIT study on promotions based on potential
15:07 Kaila and Kyle’s personal experience with office politics
20:34 Office politics for remote employees
23:02 Using meetings to build buy-in
26:41 Asking for a promotion
29:19 Game: How Would You Respond?
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Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app!
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Jul 7, 2025 • 38min
How to Motivate Yourself – Even When You’re Burned Out
Discover the intriguing world of motivation as intrinsic and extrinsic drives take center stage. Kaila and Kyle share their personal experiences with these motivators, revealing how external validation can fall short in the long run. The duo explores research-backed strategies to boost motivation, including the power of healthy competition. They also tackle how to challenge yourself during tough times and harness urgency to break goals into manageable tasks. Tune in for practical hacks that can reignite your drive and elevate your work life!

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Jun 30, 2025 • 29min
Am I the A-Hole? Coworker Gifts, Applying for the Same Job As Your Friend, and More
Dive into the ethical dilemmas of workplace dynamics! Explore the intricacies of giving retirement gifts and the social obligations tied to them. The debate heats up over applying for the same job as a friend—should you go for it? Discover the challenges of keeping personal life private at work, especially with remote setups. Plus, learn why pretending to be busy can backfire on your career. Tune in for strong opinions and insightful advice!

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Jun 23, 2025 • 37min
How to Handle Failure Like a Pro
In this episode, Kaila and Kyle talk about their biggest work fails, a different way to think about failure beyond simply as a “learning opportunity,” and share tactics on how to best move through and recover from failures in both work and career.
00:00 Intro
00:40 Kaila’s biggest work failure
04:20 Kyle’s biggest work failure
09:34 The problem with “I don’t fail, I either win or I learn.”
17:46 An NIH study on career failure among nurses
21:05 How to change your perception of “failure”
22:33 The importance of “getting ahead of it”
24:28 “post traumatic growth”
29:01 Tactics
Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/
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Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app!
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Jun 16, 2025 • 38min
Why “High Agency” Might Be the Secret to Growing Your Career
In this episode, Kaila and Kyle discuss what having high agency at work really means, the problems having high agency poses in certain contexts, and how to cultivate more of it in order to help your career.
00:00 Intro
01:20 Defining what having “high agency” is
06:52 The elements of high agency
10:34 An important point about having agency
14:17 An important element of truly effective high agency
15:03 A time when Kaila demonstrated high agency in her career
17:46 A time when Kyle demonstrated high agency in his career
21:32 A debate on the merits of disagreeableness
30:22 Research on the “internal locus of control”
31:43 Tactics for developing more agency
Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/
Watch Per My Last Email on YouTube:
@PerMYLastEmailShow
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TikTok: @permylastemailshow
Twitter: @permylast_email
Have a question for us? Send us an email or voice note to permylastemail@morningbrew.com
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Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app!
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