

The Next Level
The Bulwark
Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and Jonathan V. Last bring their signature political insight and banter to the masses in The Next Level podcast. Tune in to hear them discuss the news of the week, break down campaigns and elections, and wade into pop culture feuds. www.thebulwark.com
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Apr 23, 2023 • 1h 1min
Backlash & in Heels (with Abraham Josephine Riesman)
Abraham Josephine Riesman, author of The New York Times bestselling book, Ringmaster, joins Tim and JVL to talk WWE wrestling and the latest attacks on trans Americans from the right.
Plus, Tim and JVL talk the $5 million Mike Lindell has the pay for his disproven election fraud claims.
Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0u9_tuy9V4
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Apr 21, 2023 • 19min
He's Running! Joe Biden is Ready to Run it Back for 2024 (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)
Sarah and JVL talk about Biden’s coming reelection announcement and DeSantis’s latest polling drop. Also: If Trump becomes the Republican nominee and you could wave a wand and have any person be the Democratic nominee, who would you pick?
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Apr 19, 2023 • 40min
It's the Mickey Mouse Jail House (with Sonny Bunch)
Fox settled with Dominion Voting Systems for $787.5 million, at the expense of getting Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham to testify publicly. Was this the best or worst case scenario?
Plus, with his stock in the 2024 presidential horse race sinking, Ron DeSantis picks back up his fight with Disney, threatening to build a jail next to Disney World. Anything beats taking on Trump directly, right?
And Democrats are pressuring Sen. Dianne Feinstein to retire as her absence prevent President Biden from confirming judges. Is it time for all these octogenarians to finally give up their seats?
Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftyhv2AIoEk
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Apr 16, 2023 • 42min
Racist Chickens with their Heads Cut Off (with Rep. Gloria Johnson)
Tennessee House Rep. Gloria Johnson joins Tim to talk the insanity that's happened in her state's legislature over the past couple of weeks. She details why she and her Democratic colleagues, Reps. Justin J. Pearson and Justin Jones, decided to take action after another school shooting in Nashville.
Along with reacting to the racism her Republican peers and the conservative media have shown in the aftermath, Rep. Johnson also gets into the dangerous legislation proposed by the GOP in her state, which will have serious consequences for abortion access and freedom of expression.
Watch Tim and Rep. Johnson record this episode live here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpywzrLd_Z0
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Apr 14, 2023 • 21min
Ol' Puddin' Fingers (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)
Sarah and JVL talk about MAGA’s new attack on the Great Republican Hope. And about the Heritage Foundation’s strange new respect for socialism. And more!
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Apr 13, 2023 • 44min
Spilling the Xi
UPDATE: Rep. Tim Scott revealed he was no longer a virgin in 2012, according to the Daily Mail.
Donald Trump joined Tucker Carlson last night to lavish praise on genocidal Chinese President Xi Jinping, among other authoritarian world leaders. Plus, law and order Texas Gov. Greg Abbott plans to pardon a convicted murderer and Tim Scott launches his presidential campaign, while DeSantis waits in the corner and passes dangerous new immigration laws.
Show Notes
"The Big Break" by Ben Terris: https://www.twelvebooks.com/titles/ben-terris/the-big-break/9781538708057/
Watch the gang record the episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2OdxWq_ZdI
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Apr 9, 2023 • 51min
Unacknowledged Bubble Baths (w/ Frank Bruni)
Frank Bruni, veteran opinion writer for The New York Times, joins Tim and JVL on this week's Sunday show to talk Trumps indictment, his esteemed career, which includes covering the President George W. Bush's administration, the future of journalism, modern day challenges to free speech, and much more!
Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XXMZkdu-M0
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Apr 7, 2023 • 14min
The 2024 Spoiler? (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)
Sarah and JVL talk about the potential for Vivek Ramaswamy to fill the Ron Paul lane and how that could hurt DeSantis. And also Clarence Thomas and the burden of having close personal friends who just happen to be billionaires.
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Apr 5, 2023 • 40min
The Indicted Demon and the Maligned Angel
Trump's (first) indictment has finally arrived and the GOP is more (publicly) united behind him than ever before. The MAGA base demands loyalty, and even the so-called normies are falling in line.
The gang also breaks down Democrats' big win in Wisconsin yesterday and if it's a bad sign for Ron DeSantis. Plus, everyone gives their take on the NCAA women's national championship tournament, as well as how much racism and misogyny was behind the media storm surrounding the Angel Reese.
Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0caff1USZzA
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Apr 2, 2023 • 1h 2min
On the Emergency Room Table (with Junot Diaz)
Pulitzer Prize-winning author Junot Diaz joins the Sunday show to talk his career and the current political climate in America. They also get into his experience with cancel culture, and if it changed his view of the world.
Plus, Tim and Sarah give their thoughts what the Trump indictment means for his re-election campaign.
Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K2dK1BEWqg
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