
Code Switch
What's CODE SWITCH? It's the fearless conversations about race that you've been waiting for. Hosted by journalists of color, our podcast tackles the subject of race with empathy and humor. We explore how race affects every part of society — from politics and pop culture to history, food and everything in between. This podcast makes all of us part of the conversation — because we're all part of the story. Code Switch was named Apple Podcasts' first-ever Show of the Year in 2020.Want to level up your Code Switch game? Try Code Switch Plus. Your subscription supports the show and unlocks a sponsor-free feed. Learn more at plus.npr.org/codeswitch
Latest episodes

Jun 17, 2022 • 56min
School Colors Episode 6: "Below Liberty"
Though a lot of parents and educators agree there needs to be some change in District 28, the question remains: what kind of change? When we asked around, more diversity wasn't necessarily at the top of everybody's list. In fact, from the north and south, we heard a lot of the same kind of thing: "leave our kids where they are and give all the schools what they need."We went to the Southside and asked parents and school leaders directly, what do the schools need?Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

Jun 15, 2022 • 29min
The impact of COVID-19, a million deaths in
A new book by Linda Villarosa looks at how racial bias in healthcare has costs for all Americans. Spoiler: Poverty counts — but not as much as you'd think.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

Jun 8, 2022 • 31min
Spilling the T
Code Switch's Kumari Devarajan found an unlikely demographic doppelganger in D'Lo, a comedian and playwright whose one-person show about growing up as a queer child of immigrants in the U.S. is reopening on a bigger theater stage. But when you share so much in common with a stranger who is putting their sometimes messy business on front street for the world to see, it can feel like they're also sharing your secrets, too.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

Jun 3, 2022 • 54min
School Colors Episode 5: "The Melting Pot"
Until recently, School District 28 in Queens, N.Y., was characterized by a white Northside, and a Black Southside. But today, the district, and Queens at large, has become what is considered to be one of the most diverse places on the planet. So how did District 28 go from being defined by this racial binary, to a place where people brag about how diverse it is?Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

Jun 1, 2022 • 32min
Rethinking 'safety' in the wake of Uvalde
In the wake of violence and tragedies, people are often left in search of ways to feel safe again. That almost inevitably to conversations about the role of police. On today's episode, we're talking to the author and sociologist Alex Vitale, who argues that many spaces in U.S. society over-rely on the police to prevent problems that are better addressed through other means. Doing so, he says, can prevent us from properly investing in resources and programs that could make the country safer in the long run.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

May 27, 2022 • 51min
School Colors Episode 4: "The Mason-Dixon Line"
So much of the present day conversation about District 28 hinges on the dynamic between the Northside and the Southside. But why were the North and the South wedged into the same school district to begin with? When we asked around, no one seemed to know. What we do know are the consequences.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

May 25, 2022 • 42min
How We Decide Who Is 'Worthy of Welcome'
Millions of Syrians have been displaced by ongoing civil war. In her new book, Refuge, Heba Gowayed follows Syrians who have resettled in the U.S., Canada and Germany. She argues that finding their footing in their new homes is less about individual choice and more about governmental systems.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

May 20, 2022 • 59min
School Colors Episode 3: "The Battle of Forest Hills"
In the early 1970s, Forest Hills, Queens, became a national symbol of white, middle class resistance to integration. Instead of public schools, this fight was over public housing. A fight that got so intense the press called it "The Battle of Forest Hills." How did a famously liberal neighborhood become a hotbed of reaction and backlash? And how did a small group of angry homeowners change housing policy for the entire country?Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

May 18, 2022 • 44min
The Utang Clan
Utang na loob is the Filipino concept of an eternal debt to others, be it family or friends, who do a favor for you. It goes back to pre-colonial times in the Philippines, and can pass from one generation to another. And some Filipino-Americans want to do away with utang all together, especially when it butts up against "American" values of independence and self-reliance. On this week's episode, we break down this "debt of the inner soul" — and discover a surprising side to this value.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

May 11, 2022 • 50min
School Colors Episode 2: "Tales From The Southside"
School District 28 in Queens, N.Y., has a Northside and a Southside. To put it simply, the Southside is Black and the farther north you go, the fewer Black people you see. But it wasn't always like this. Once the home to two revolutionary experiments in integrated housing, the Southside of the district served as a beacon of interracial cooperation. So what happened between then and now?Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy