
Code Switch
What's CODE SWITCH? It's the fearless conversations about race that you've been waiting for. Hosted by journalists of color, our podcast tackles the subject of race with empathy and humor. We explore how race affects every part of society — from politics and pop culture to history, food and everything in between. This podcast makes all of us part of the conversation — because we're all part of the story. Code Switch was named Apple Podcasts' first-ever Show of the Year in 2020.Want to level up your Code Switch game? Try Code Switch Plus. Your subscription supports the show and unlocks a sponsor-free feed. Learn more at plus.npr.org/codeswitch
Latest episodes

Jun 25, 2025 • 39min
Dispatches from the living memory of trans people of color
Caro de Robertis, a talented writer and novelist behind 'So Many Stars,' shares her insights on the rich narratives of trans, non-binary, and Two-Spirit people of color. The conversation highlights the unique challenges they face and the importance of embracing diverse identities. De Robertis discusses the transformative power of language, weaving together themes of resilience and community. Personal stories shed light on the balance of joy and grief in the trans experience, emphasizing the invaluable lessons from queer elders for future generations.

Jun 23, 2025 • 32min
Iranian American identity was under scrutiny long before the U.S. struck Iran
Join Jason Rezaian, an Iranian-American journalist and former Washington Post bureau chief who endured 544 days in a brutal Iranian prison, as he navigates the complexities of Iranian American identity. He reflects on love and loss, his journey through cultural struggles, and the emotional aftermath of U.S.-Iran relations. Through personal anecdotes, he candidly discusses the impact of incarceration, the heritage of ancient Iran, and even finds humor in his memoir, all while urging a deeper understanding of cultural identity amidst geopolitical tensions.

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Jun 18, 2025 • 38min
The administration's fight against antisemitism is dividing Jews
Kenneth Stern, Director of the Bard Center for the Study of Hate and author, discusses the intricate battle over antisemitism definitions. He highlights the divisive nature of the Trump administration's policies, which some argue threaten free speech while claiming to protect Jews. Stern delves into generational divides within the Jewish community about antisemitism and pro-Palestinian activism, revealing how perspectives vary dramatically, especially among younger activists on college campuses. The conversation underscores the need for nuanced dialogue amid escalating tensions.

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Jun 11, 2025 • 29min
How the news can make us think we need more policing
Alec Karakasanas, the director of Equal Justice Under the Law and author of "Copaganda," dives deep into the concept of pro-police propaganda. He discusses how media sensationalism has skewed public perception of crime, leading to a withdrawal of support for police reform. By reflecting on the protests post-George Floyd's death, he sheds light on the disconnect between policing ideals and reality. Karakasanas also critiques how coverage priorities obscure systemic issues, urging a reevaluation of narratives surrounding crime and safety.

Jun 4, 2025 • 35min
What Trump's fixation on 'white genocide' in South Africa tells us about the U.S.
John Elago, the Johannesburg bureau chief for The New York Times, sheds light on the bizarre trajectory of the 'white genocide' conspiracy from fringe circles to the White House. He recounts a revealing encounter between Trump and South African President Ramaphosa, where Trump's fixation on the conspiracy surfaced. The discussion dives into how this narrative ties into broader anxieties about demographic shifts in the U.S. and the implications for race relations, misinformation, and global diplomacy.

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May 28, 2025 • 32min
Why tacos are as 'American' as apple pie
Gustavo Arellano, a columnist and taco aficionado, teams up with Paloma Martinez Cruz, a Latinx studies professor, to explore the rich tapestry of Mexican cuisine in the U.S. They dive into the evolution of Mexican food, tackling authenticity versus commercialization, particularly through Taco Bell. The duo highlights how Mexican culinary traditions and cultural appropriation intersect while celebrating the cuisine's integral role in American identity. Expect insightful discussions on the complexities of food appreciation and the importance of preserving cultural heritage.

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May 21, 2025 • 35min
How race science shows up at the doctor's office
Dr. Andrea Deyrup, a medical professor at Duke University, sheds light on the pitfalls of race-based medicine. She discusses how race is inaccurately used in diagnosing conditions like keloids and cystic fibrosis, leading to delayed diagnoses. The conversation challenges the misconceptions embedded in medical education and emphasizes the need to address social determinants of health. Dr. Deyrup advocates for a more nuanced understanding of health risks that goes beyond race, promoting systemic changes to improve patient care for all.

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May 14, 2025 • 28min
Arab and Black communities are trying to reconcile after Trump's election
Tensions between Arab-American and Black communities have heightened post-election, igniting tough conversations about political allegiances. A communal iftar in Dearborn showcased these dynamics, with participants sharing personal stories to bridge divides. The podcast explores shifting voter sentiments, especially regarding support for Democrats and the impacts of misinformation. It emphasizes the need for unity and solidarity, highlighting efforts to foster dialogue and understanding amidst shared struggles and historical complexities.

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May 7, 2025 • 36min
40 years ago, Philadelphia police bombed this Black neighborhood on live TV
Lynn Washington, an investigative journalist and professor, joins Mike Africa Jr., a legacy director for the MOVE organization, to discuss the shocking 1985 police bombing in Philadelphia. They reflect on the tragic loss of eleven lives, including five children, and how this catastrophe has faded from collective memory. The conversation dives into the ongoing implications of race and policing, the fighting spirit of the MOVE organization, and the importance of acknowledging this forgotten tragedy for justice and healing in today's society.

Apr 30, 2025 • 32min
In the face of trans erasure, what can we learn from Marsha P. Johnson?
Marsha P. Johnson was a trailblazer in the fight for gay rights. But Johnson's legacy extends beyond her activism: "Marsha was a really full person who lived a vibrant life. She was a muse and model for Andy Warhol," and a performer in New York City and London. In this episode, we talk to activist and author Tourmaline about what we can all learn from Johnson's legacy in times of adversity.Tourmaline's two books about Marsha P. Johnson — Marsha: The Joy and Defiance of Marsha P. Johnson and One Day in June — are out on May 20, 2025.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy