
That Said With Michael Zeldin
CommPRO and the Museum of Public Relations proudly present That Said With Michael Zeldin. That Said, is a weekly series that takes a comprehensive look at the ideas, events, and people who shape our world. Led by TV legal and political analyst Michael Zeldin, his candid conversations with bestselling authors, thought leaders, and opinion-makers explore their ideas to help move us forward as a community and as a country.
Latest episodes

Dec 9, 2024 • 1h 7min
Historian, Douglas Brinkley on Trump, Biden, America, and more
Douglas Brinkley, Rice University Professor of Humanities and History and CNN Presidential historian, joins host Michael Zeldin to discuss how history will assess the Trump presidency, Trumpism, and this period of American historyDouglas Brinkley’s previous conversation with Michaelhttps://redcircle.com/shows/9628320e-8ac7-43bc-b394-79d0ca7fc4d7/episodes/e2c0f018-e24b-4ea0-82ad-d465eab19917Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Dec 2, 2024 • 1h 4min
Ronald K. L. Collins | Tragedy on Trial, The Story of the Infamous Emmett Till Murder Trial
Tragedy on Trial, The Story of the Infamous Emmett Till Murder Trial, which reveals as never before the entire and shocking story of the 1955 trial of Emmett Till’s murderers.Based on extensive research, and accompanied by photos of the trial Collins brings the story alive, revealing all its manipulations of justice.https://www.amazon.com/Tragedy-Trial-Infamous-Emmett-Murder/dp/1531027490Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Nov 26, 2024 • 60min
Wright Thompson | The Barn
Michael is speaking with Wright Thompson about his new book, The Barn The Secret History of a Murder in Mississippi which is a revelatory account of the murder of Emmett Till.https://www.instagram.com/wrightthompsonbooks/Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Nov 18, 2024 • 53min
Eden Undone by Abbott Kahler
Abbott Kaler’s new book Eden Undone, a true story of sex, murder, and utopia at the dawn of World War II, explores the universal and timeless desire to seek utopia by three sets of exiles to the Galapagos Islands. Abbott is the author of four New York Times bestselling works of narrative nonfiction. She is a native of Philadelphia, where she has spent six years as a journalist covering crime, advocating for abused women, and hanging out with mafia bosses, baseball wives, and others. https://www.abbottkahler.com/Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Nov 12, 2024 • 1h 4min
The Boys of Riverside: A Deaf Football Team and a Quest for Glory by Thomas Fuller
Michael’s guest is Thomas Fuller. He’s here to talk about his inspirational new book, The Boys of Riverside, A Deaf Football Team and the Quest for Glory, which tells the story of the California school for the Deaf, Riverside and its pursuit of a football championship in California.The Boys of Riverside: A Deaf Football Team and a Quest for Glory: 9780385549875: Fuller, ThomasTranscript of the conversationThomas FullerThomas Fuller (@thomasfullerNYT) Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Nov 4, 2024 • 1h 15min
The Wealth of Shadows, Money is a Dangerous Weapon by Graham Moore
Join Michael in his conversation with Graham Moore about his new book of historical fiction entitled The Wealth of Shadows, Money is a Dangerous Weapon in which he tells the story of a group of US Treasury Department officials and their efforts to bring down Nazi Germany through economic warfare. Graham is a New York Times-bestselling novelist and Academy Award-winning filmmaker.His novels — The Wealth of Shadows (2024), The Hold Out (2020), The Last Days of Night (2016), and The Sherlockian (2010) — have been published in 24 countries and translated into 19 languages. The Last Days of Night was named one of the best books of the year by the Washington Post and the Philadelphia Inquirer, while The Sherlockian was nominated for an Anthony Award for best first novel.His screenplay for The Imitation Game (2014) won the Academy Award, WGA Award, and PEN Award, and was nominated for a BAFTA and a Golden Globe. His film directorial debut The Outfit (2022) premiered at the Berlin Film Festival, was nominated for a British Independent Film Award and was named one of the 10 best films of the year by the Houston Chronicle.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Oct 30, 2024 • 58min
Dana Bash | America’s Deadliest Election the Cautionary Tale of the Most Violent Election in American History
Join Michael in his conversation with Dana Bash about her important new book America’s Deadliest Election the Cautionary Tale of the Most Violent Election in American History which tells the story of the 1872 Louisiana Governor’s race and the lessons it holds for the present.From CNN’s Chief Political Correspondent Dana Bash, the fast-paced story of the extraordinary election that led to hundreds of murders, warfare in the streets of New Orleans, two governors of Louisiana—and changed the course of politics in our country.The Election of 1872 was the most contentious in American history. After both parties complained of corruption, neither candidate would concede, two governors claimed office and chaos erupted. Rival newspapers engaged in a bitter war of words, politicians plotted to overthrow the government, and their supporters fought in the streets and attempted assassinations. The entire country watched in grim fascination as the wounds of the Civil War were ripped open and the promise of President Grant’s Reconstruction faltered in the face of violent resistance and the birth of the Ku Klux Klan.Dana Bashhttps://twitter.com/DanaBashCNNAmerica's Deadliest Election: Original – HarperCollinsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Oct 21, 2024 • 1h 3min
Fight: How Gen Z Is Channeling Their Fear and Passion to Save America by John Della Volpe
Join Michael in his conversation with John Della Volpe the Director of Polling in the Institute of Politics at the Harvard Kennedy School about his book Fight, How Gen Z is Channeling their Fear and Passion to Save America as well as the results of his September 2024 Harvard YouthPoll.Fight, has been called “the definitive account of America’s next great generation,” and provides an in depth exploration of Gen Z the events that have shaped them, and what it means for America and our future.September 11. The war on terror. Hurricane Katrina. The 2008 financial crisis. The housing crisis. The opioid epidemic. Mass school shootings. Climate change. Racial injustice. The whiplash between the election of the first Black president and Donald Trump. COVID-19. Generation Z (also known as “Zoomers”) — those born from the late 1990s to early 2000s —has been faced with an onslaught of turmoil, destruction, and instability unprecedented in modern history. And it shows: They are more stressed, anxious, and depressed than previous generations, a phenomenon John Della Volpe has documented extensively through decades of interviews and meetings with young Americans across the country.But Gen Z has not buckled under this tremendous weight. On the contrary, they have organized around the issues America has left unsolved, from gun control to racial and environmental justice to economic inequality, becoming more politically engaged than their elders were at their age and showing a unique willingness to disrupt the status quo.In Fight, Della Volpe draws on his vast experience to show the largest forces shaping Zoomers’ lives, the issues they care most about, and how they are — despite older Americans’ efforts to label Gen Z as overly sensitive, lazy, and entitled — rising to the unique challenges of their time to take control of their country and our future.https://www.amazon.com/Fight-Channeling-Their-Passion-America/dp/1250260469https://iop.harvard.edu/youth-poll/48th-edition-fall-2024Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Oct 14, 2024 • 1h 9min
It. Goes. So. Fast.: The Year of No Do-Overs with Mary Louise Kelly
Mary Louise Kelly joins Michael to talk about her book,It. Goes. So. Fast.: The Year of No Do-Overs.In it she writes about the dual pressures that of the work life balance in an honest, funny, revelatory, and immensely relatable way. Mary Louise has been reporting for National Public Radio for nearly two decades and is now the co host of All Things Considered. She has written two suspense novels and is the author of articles and essays that appeared in the New York Times, the Atlantic, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, among numerous other publications.Mary Louise Kellyhttps://twitter.com/NPRKellyIt. Goes. So. Fast.: The Year of No Do-Overs.https://marylouisekellybooks.com/Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Oct 7, 2024 • 1h 7min
A New Age of Reason by Larry Weber
Join Michael in his conversation with Larry Weber about his new book The New Age of Reason, Harnessing the Power of Tech for Good which posits that we are in the midst of a new wave of technology—one that’s ushering our world to an entirely new era for the good.Larry Weber is a successful entrepreneur, thought leader, author, and founder of several global marketing companies. Larry is a globally-renowned expert on public relations and marketing services. He is the founder, chairman, and CEO of Racepoint Global, an integrated marketing services agency. He is also the founder of Weber Shandwick, among the largest communications companies in the world.A New Age of Reason: Harnessing the Power of Tech for Good provides a roadmap for integrating emerging world-changing technologies, such as AI/robotics, chips/sensors, and quantum computing, to solve some of today’s thorniest and most pressing problems like climatechange and world hunger.The author offers inspiring examples of companies using technology to positively impact humanity. The book provides an actionable playbook to transform your organization around this mission, including how to develop a tech for good strategy, how to evolve the C Suite to deliveron this mission, how to market it, as well as measure outcomes. The author also discusses the latest technology breakthroughs delivering positive world outcomes, such as:● Extending a surgeon’s “eyes and hands” via robotics surgical systems to improve patient outcomes● Computer vision tech that enables farmers to maximize crops to feed our burgeoning population● AI/robotics that identify and fight wildfiresBringing together a collective of major thinkers on this subject and providing guidance for a better future, A New Age of Reason: Harnessing the Power of Tech for Good is a timely read for all executive leaders seeking to harness the new wave of technology to solve key societal problems and have a positive impact on the world.A New Age of Reason by Larry WeberAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy