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CommPRO and the Museum of Public Relations proudly present That Said With Michael Zeldin. That Said, is a weekly series that takes a comprehensive look at the ideas, events, and people who shape our world. Led by TV legal and political analyst Michael Zeldin, his candid conversations with bestselling authors, thought leaders, and opinion-makers explore their ideas to help move us forward as a community and as a country.
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Apr 1, 2025 • 1h 10min
Randy Blythe | Just Beyond The Light, Making Peace with the Wars Inside our Head
Join Michael in his conversation with Randy Blythe the frontman for the Lamb of God heavy metal band about his new memoir Just Beyond The Light, Making Peace with the Wars Inside our Head.Randy is a writer, photographer, actor, and frontman for the heavy metal band Lamb of God. This is his second book. He lives in Richmond, VA when he is not on the road touring.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Mar 25, 2025 • 1h 5min
Making the Best of What's Left | Judith Viorst
Legendary author Judith Viorst joins Michael to talk about her latest book, Making the Best of What's Left, When We're Too Old to Get the Chairs Reupholstered, in which she writes about the late life meaning of wisdom, happiness, second chances, and being home. Judith is the author of the beloved Alexander and the Terrible Horrible No Good Very Bad Day, the Lulu books, including Lulu and the Brontosaurus, the New York Times bestseller, Necessary Losses, four musicals, and poetry for children and adults.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Mar 18, 2025 • 1h 18min
Locker Room Talk | Melissa Ludtke
Join Michael in his conversation with Melissa Ludtke about her new book Locker Room Talk, A Woman’s Struggle To Get Inside which chronicles her years long effort to get major league baseball to provide her and other women sports reporters with equal access to the NY Yankees locker room so she could do her job as a baseball reporter for Sports Illustrated.Melissa was a reporter for Sports Illustrated, a correspondent for Time magazine, and an editor of the Nieman Reports at Harvard University. She received the Yankee Quill Award and the Mary Garber Pioneer Award and was a Nieman Fellow and a Prudential Fellow at Columbia University’s Graduate School of Journalism. This is her third book. She lives in Cambridge, MA and roots for the Boston Red Sox.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Mar 10, 2025 • 55min
Jeffrey Toobin | The Pardon: Nixon, Ford and the Politics of Presidential Mercy
Join Michael Zeldin in his conversation with Jeffrey Toobin about his new book, The Pardon: The Politics of Presidential Mercy, which explores the most controversial pardon in American history—Gerald Ford’s pardon of Richard Nixon—and its profound implications for our current political situation. Jeffrey is a longtime CNN Legal Analyst, author of ten books including, Homegrown: Timothy McVeigh and the Rise of Right-Wing Extremism which we featured on this podcast in June 2023. Jeffrey is an instructor in the Trial Advocacy Workshop at Harvard Law School and has recently joined the New York Times as an opinion writer.A Conversation with Jeffrey Toobin, Author, Homegrown: Timothy McVeigh and the Rise of Right-Wing ExtremismAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Mar 3, 2025 • 1h 4min
Don Lemon | I Once Was Lost, My Search for God in America
Join Michael in his conversation with Don Lemon about his new book I Once Was Lost, My Search for God in America which tells his personal journey as a person of deep religious faith but also serves as a warning about the hijacking of religion by the religious right and its implications for American Democracy.Don Lemon is an award winning journalist who has spent three decades on local and national TV, a trusted voice after the Sandy Hook massacre, in war-torn Eastern Europe, and during the riots of 2020. Anchoring Don Lemon Tonight on CNN, he was known for hard-hitting interviews with public officials and compassionate dialogue with everyday people. The Don Lemon Show is now streaming on all platforms.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Feb 25, 2025 • 1h 13min
New Prize for These Eyes, The Rise of America’s Second Civil Rights Movement | Juan Williams
Join Michael in his conversation with Juan Williams about his new book New Prize for These Eyes, The Rise of America’s Second Civil Rights Movement which traces the rise of the second civil rights movement beginning with then Illinois State Senator Barack Obama’s 2004 keynoteaddress to the Democratic National Convention. It is a perfect primer for understanding the Trump 2.0 attacks on the movement for racial justice.Juan is a prizewinning journalist and historian. He has written several bestselling books including the prequel to this book entitled Eyes on the Prize. America’s Civil Rights Years, 1954-1965 as well as articles for numerous publications including the New York Times, The WallStreet Journal, and the Atlantic among others. He is currently the senior political analyst for the Fox News Channel and a columnist for The Hill.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Feb 18, 2025 • 45min
Supercommunicators, How To Unlock the Secret Language of Connection by Charles Duhigg
Join Michael in his conversation with Charles Duhigg about his book Supercommunicators, How To Unlock the Secret Language of Connection which is a fascinating exploration of what makes conversations work, and how we can all learn to be supercommunicators at work and in life. It is especially interesting for those who are dating.Charles is an American journalist and non-fiction author. He was a reporter for The New York Times where he was part of a Pulitzer Prize Award winning team for explanatory writing. He is also the recipient of a The George Polk award and the Gerald Loeb award among others. This is his third book. He currently writes for The New Yorker Magazine.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Feb 10, 2025 • 56min
Revisiting | Hello Darkness, My Old Friend Sandy Greenberg
Join Michael as we revisit his conversation with Sandy Greenberg as they discuss his memoir, Hello Darkness, My Old Friend, How Daring Dreams and Unyielding Friendship Turned One Man’s Blindness Into An Extraordinary Vision For Life which recounts how he was blinded at age 19 and, against all odds, and with the help of Art Garfunkel, Sandy graduated Phi Beta Kappa from Columbia University, was a Marshall Fellow at Oxford University, and earned a Ph.D. from Harvard University and went on to have a most remarkable career.Blinded at nineteen, Sanford D. Greenberg graduated from Columbia University (Phi Beta Kappa) and, following a Marshall Scholarship at Oxford, received his M.A. and Ph.D. at Harvard and M.B.A. at Columbia. He was a White House Fellow under Lyndon B. Johnson and later chaired the federal Rural Healthcare Corporation and served on the National Science Board. His career as an entrepreneur and investor began when he invented, of necessity, a speech-compression machine for those who need to listen and absorb large volumes of printed matter. He subsequently founded several enterprises, including a company that produced specialized computer simulators and the first database tracking antibiotic resistance globally. A Johns Hopkins University and Medicine Trustee Emeritus, Sandy is chairman of the Board of Governors of its Wilmer Eye Institute and founder, along with his wife, Sue, of the Sanford and Susan Greenberg Center to End Blindness at the Johns Hopkins Wilmer Eye Institute, the only facility in the world devoted solely to ending blindness for everyone, forevermore. In a December 2020 ceremony streamed worldwide, Sandy and Sue awarded the initial Greenberg Prizes: $3 million in aggregate to those researchers who have made the greatest progress toward ending blindness for all mankind.HostMichael ZeldinMichael Zeldin is a well-known and highly-regarded TV and radio analyst/commentator.He has covered many high-profile matters, including the Clinton impeachment proceedings, the Gore v. Bush court challenges, Special Counsel Robert Muller’s investigation of interference in the 2016 presidential election, and the Trump impeachment proceedings.In 2019, Michael was a Resident Fellow at the Institute of Politics at the Harvard Kennedy School, where he taught a study group on Independent Investigations of Presidents.Previously, Michael was a federal prosecutor with the U.S. Department of Justice. He also served as Deputy Independent/ Independent Counsel, investigating allegations of tampering with presidential candidate Bill Clinton’s passport files, and as Deputy Chief Counsel to the U.S. House of Representatives, Foreign Affairs Committee, October Surprise Task Force, investigating the handling of the American hostage situation in Iran.Michael is a prolific writer and has published Op-ed pieces for CNN.com, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, The Hill, The Washington Times, and The Washington Post.Follow Michael on Twitter: @michaelzeldinAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Feb 3, 2025 • 60min
Savings and Trust the Rise and Betrayal of the Freedmen's Bank | Professor Justene Hill Edwards
Join Michael in his discussion with Professor Justene Hill Edwards about her powerful new book, Savings and Trust the Rise and Betrayal of the Freedmen's Bank. Created after the Civil War, The Freedmen’s Bank was where tens of thousands of formerly enslaved people placed their savings only to have them stolen by corrupt white bankers. Savings and Trust | Justene Hill Edwards | W. W. Norton & CompanyAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Jan 27, 2025 • 1h 5min
Talkin’ Greenwich Village: The Heady Rise and Slow Fall of America’s Bohemian Music Capital | David Browne
Join Michael in his conversation with senior Rolling Stone music writer David Browne about his new book Talkin’ Greenwich Village: The Heady Rise and Slow Fall of America’s Bohemian Music Capital which traces the history of the folk, rock, and blues music scene in the West Village from 1957 through the end of the 1980s.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy