
That Said With Michael Zeldin
CommPRO and the Museum of Public Relations proudly present That Said With Michael Zeldin. That Said, is a weekly series that takes a comprehensive look at the ideas, events, and people who shape our world. Led by TV legal and political analyst Michael Zeldin, his candid conversations with bestselling authors, thought leaders, and opinion-makers explore their ideas to help move us forward as a community and as a country.
Latest episodes

Feb 18, 2025 • 45min
Supercommunicators, How To Unlock the Secret Language of Connection by Charles Duhigg
Join Michael in his conversation with Charles Duhigg about his book Supercommunicators, How To Unlock the Secret Language of Connection which is a fascinating exploration of what makes conversations work, and how we can all learn to be supercommunicators at work and in life. It is especially interesting for those who are dating.Charles is an American journalist and non-fiction author. He was a reporter for The New York Times where he was part of a Pulitzer Prize Award winning team for explanatory writing. He is also the recipient of a The George Polk award and the Gerald Loeb award among others. This is his third book. He currently writes for The New Yorker Magazine.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Feb 10, 2025 • 56min
Revisiting | Hello Darkness, My Old Friend Sandy Greenberg
Join Michael as we revisit his conversation with Sandy Greenberg as they discuss his memoir, Hello Darkness, My Old Friend, How Daring Dreams and Unyielding Friendship Turned One Man’s Blindness Into An Extraordinary Vision For Life which recounts how he was blinded at age 19 and, against all odds, and with the help of Art Garfunkel, Sandy graduated Phi Beta Kappa from Columbia University, was a Marshall Fellow at Oxford University, and earned a Ph.D. from Harvard University and went on to have a most remarkable career.Blinded at nineteen, Sanford D. Greenberg graduated from Columbia University (Phi Beta Kappa) and, following a Marshall Scholarship at Oxford, received his M.A. and Ph.D. at Harvard and M.B.A. at Columbia. He was a White House Fellow under Lyndon B. Johnson and later chaired the federal Rural Healthcare Corporation and served on the National Science Board. His career as an entrepreneur and investor began when he invented, of necessity, a speech-compression machine for those who need to listen and absorb large volumes of printed matter. He subsequently founded several enterprises, including a company that produced specialized computer simulators and the first database tracking antibiotic resistance globally. A Johns Hopkins University and Medicine Trustee Emeritus, Sandy is chairman of the Board of Governors of its Wilmer Eye Institute and founder, along with his wife, Sue, of the Sanford and Susan Greenberg Center to End Blindness at the Johns Hopkins Wilmer Eye Institute, the only facility in the world devoted solely to ending blindness for everyone, forevermore. In a December 2020 ceremony streamed worldwide, Sandy and Sue awarded the initial Greenberg Prizes: $3 million in aggregate to those researchers who have made the greatest progress toward ending blindness for all mankind.HostMichael ZeldinMichael Zeldin is a well-known and highly-regarded TV and radio analyst/commentator.He has covered many high-profile matters, including the Clinton impeachment proceedings, the Gore v. Bush court challenges, Special Counsel Robert Muller’s investigation of interference in the 2016 presidential election, and the Trump impeachment proceedings.In 2019, Michael was a Resident Fellow at the Institute of Politics at the Harvard Kennedy School, where he taught a study group on Independent Investigations of Presidents.Previously, Michael was a federal prosecutor with the U.S. Department of Justice. He also served as Deputy Independent/ Independent Counsel, investigating allegations of tampering with presidential candidate Bill Clinton’s passport files, and as Deputy Chief Counsel to the U.S. House of Representatives, Foreign Affairs Committee, October Surprise Task Force, investigating the handling of the American hostage situation in Iran.Michael is a prolific writer and has published Op-ed pieces for CNN.com, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, The Hill, The Washington Times, and The Washington Post.Follow Michael on Twitter: @michaelzeldinAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Feb 3, 2025 • 60min
Savings and Trust the Rise and Betrayal of the Freedmen's Bank | Professor Justene Hill Edwards
Join Michael in his discussion with Professor Justene Hill Edwards about her powerful new book, Savings and Trust the Rise and Betrayal of the Freedmen's Bank. Created after the Civil War, The Freedmen’s Bank was where tens of thousands of formerly enslaved people placed their savings only to have them stolen by corrupt white bankers. Savings and Trust | Justene Hill Edwards | W. W. Norton & CompanyAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Jan 27, 2025 • 1h 5min
Talkin’ Greenwich Village: The Heady Rise and Slow Fall of America’s Bohemian Music Capital | David Browne
Join Michael in his conversation with senior Rolling Stone music writer David Browne about his new book Talkin’ Greenwich Village: The Heady Rise and Slow Fall of America’s Bohemian Music Capital which traces the history of the folk, rock, and blues music scene in the West Village from 1957 through the end of the 1980s.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Jan 20, 2025 • 1h 38min
Professor Eddie Glaude, Jr. Discusses America at a Crossroads
Join Michael in his discussion with Eddie Glaude Jr. to discuss the crossroads at which America finds itself and his prescription for action.Professor Glaude is the James S. McDonnell Distinguished University Professor of African American Studies at Princeton University and a MSNBC political commentator. He is the author of numerous award-winning books; including: Begin Again: James Baldwin's America and Its Urgent Lessons for Our OwnandWe Are the Leaders We Have Been Looking For (The W. E. B. Du Bois Lectures): Glaude Jr., Eddiehttps://religion.princeton.edu/people/eddie-glaudeAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Jan 13, 2025 • 1h 16min
Skies of Thunder | Caroline Alexander
Join Michael in his conversation with Caroline Alexander about her new book Skies of Thunder: The Deadly World War II Mission Over the Roof of the World which is a breathtaking account of combat and survival in one of the most brutally challenging and rarely examined campaigns of World War II in the China, Burma, India theater of war.Caroline is the author of numerous bestselling books of non-fiction including a new translation of Homer’s Iliad.She writes frequently for The New Yorker and National Geographic.She obtained her doctorate in Classics at Columbia University, as a Mellon Fellow in the Humanities and was a Rhodes Scholar taking her degree in Philosophy and Theology.Please send questions or comments to ThatSaidZeldin@gmail.comSkies of Thunder by Caroline Alexander | PenguinRandomHouse.comAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Jan 7, 2025 • 1h 14min
An Ideal For Living- A Celebration of the EP (Extended Play) BOOK – by Corey du Browa & friends
Join Michael in his conversation with Corey du Browa about his fun book An Ideal For Living, A Celebration of the EP—Extended Play which chronicles the history of the extended play record and offers Corey’s selection of the top EP by decade and of all time.Corey duBrowa - https://x.com/coreyduBurson - https://x.com/bursonglobalAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Dec 30, 2024 • 55min
Saving Grace with Kirsten Powers
Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts. Saving Grace offers a compelling prescription for navigating the times in which we find ourselves. Grace, Kirsten compellingly, argues is what makes human coexistence possible.Guest Kirsten PowersKirsten Powers is a New York Times bestselling author, USA Today columnist and CNN senior political analyst where she regularly appears on Anderson Cooper 360, CNN Tonight and The Lead with Jake Tapper. The Washington Post has called her “bright-eyed, sharp-tongued, [and] gamely combative” and “a ferocious advocate for her points of view.” Kirsen is the publisher of the Substack bestseller, Changing the Channel.Kirsten’s most recent book is SAVING GRACE: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts (Convergent Books). Jon Meacham called it, “A great gift at an urgent hour” and Kate Bowler praised Saving Grace as a “courageous call to truth and love existing side by side.”Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Dec 23, 2024 • 48min
Lydia Abarca Mitchell, One of The Swans of Harlem
Join Michael in his discussion with Lydia Abarca Mitchell in part two of our discussion of The Swans of Harlem which tells the story of the creation of the Dance Theater of Harlem and their five original dancers.Lydia was the first principal ballerina for the Dance Theater of Harlem.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Dec 16, 2024 • 57min
The Swans of Harlem | Karen Valby
Join Michael in his conversation with Karen Valby about her new book The Swans of Harlem:Five Black Ballerinas, Fifty Years of Sisterhood, and their Reclamation of a Groundbreaking History which tells the story of the five original ballerinas in the Dance Theater of Harlem.This is Karen’s second book. She is a frequent contributor to Vanity Fair, and her writing has appeared in, among other places, The New York Times, Fast Company, Time, Glamour, and Entertainment Weekly, where she spent fifteen years writing about pop culture.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy