Zack, a passionate advocate for sober living, shares his journey alongside his wife, Liz. They dive into what led them to reduce alcohol consumption and the positive effects on their mental health. Tips for navigating social situations without alcohol emerge as key advice, with emphasis on enjoying life through mocktails and healthier habits. They discuss redefining pleasure and overcoming societal pressures, making a compelling case for joy beyond drinking.

Debater Melanie questions condolences for 'Butcher of Tehran', Chris cautions against major security deal with Saudi Arabia, Zack praises Tsai Ing-wen's leadership on cross-Strait issues. They debate Biden's China policy approach and ponder if US needs final objective in dealing with China.

Chris, Melanie, and Zack assess the warning signs for the US in Southeast Asia, discuss American shipbuilding concerns, and critique American and Japanese leaders' announcements. They explore shifting perceptions in Southeast Asia towards the US, analyze the effectiveness of the US-led Indo-Pacific Framework, and navigate challenges in navy shipbuilding and economic alliances. The dialogue also covers defense policy reform and US-Japan cooperation announcements.