Wilson Ricks, a postdoctoral researcher at Princeton, and Killian Daly, executive director of Energy Tag, dive deep into the complexities of Renewable Energy Certificates (RECs). They discuss the proposed shift to hourly, local matching to enhance transparency and combat greenwashing. The guests analyze the challenges and administrative burdens this may pose for large companies, while emphasizing the importance of Power Purchase Agreements (PPAs) over spot RECs. They also touch on how data centers can successfully adapt to new regulations, paving the way for more genuine claims of 100% clean energy.