
 Volts
 Volts The escalating battle over renewable energy certificates (RECs)
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 Oct 29, 2025  Wilson Ricks, a postdoctoral researcher at Princeton, and Killian Daly, executive director of Energy Tag, dive deep into the complexities of Renewable Energy Certificates (RECs). They discuss the proposed shift to hourly, local matching to enhance transparency and combat greenwashing. The guests analyze the challenges and administrative burdens this may pose for large companies, while emphasizing the importance of Power Purchase Agreements (PPAs) over spot RECs. They also touch on how data centers can successfully adapt to new regulations, paving the way for more genuine claims of 100% clean energy. 
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Practitioner Experience With Two Worlds
- Killian Daly recounts his time buying Scope 2 for a large French firm to show the contrast between physical markets and green accounting.
- He says physical procurement respects time/place limits while certificate markets did not.
Hourly Matching Improves Claim Accuracy
- Annual REC accounting hides when and where clean power is actually used, so moving to hourly reporting improves accuracy.
- Wilson Ricks argues large companies can manage hourly reporting and it clarifies genuine progress.
Match Time And Place To Physical Power
- Geographic and temporal granularity forces claims to align with physically accessible power.
- Killian Daly and Wilson say this reduces absurd claims like being 'solar-powered at night' from faraway grids.


