William H. F. Altman, author of "Ascent to the Beautiful" and a scholar reconstructing the order of Platonic dialogues, dives into the pedagogical nuances of Plato's works. He discusses how the dialogues, often overlooked, offer a unique pathway for students from self-interest to gallantry. The conversation touches on Socratic themes of teachability of virtue, beauty, and goodness, and explores the connections between pleasure and intellectual growth. Altman illuminates the dialogues as a cohesive narrative that prepares students for philosophical exploration.