Tyler Shields, a cybersecurity expert with over 20 years in offensive security, and James Berthoty, founder of Latio Tech, delve into the evolution and challenges of the 'shift left' movement in cybersecurity. They reflect on its historical context and discuss how its relevance is fading in today’s fast-paced tech landscape. The conversation highlights the role of vendors and tools, while advocating for more comprehensive security approaches, questioning if 'secure by design' can truly address industry discrepancies. It's a thought-provoking discussion on the future of secure software development.