Tuur Demeester, a thought leader known for his insights on state-proof cities, shares compelling experiences from his visit to Orania, South Africa. He discusses the town's unique origin and its approach to cultural conflict, reflecting on how communities can thrive amidst adversity. The conversation dives into the challenges of diversity, the evolving perception of Orania, and the scalability of self-sufficient communities. Tuur also critiques Ethereum while advocating for Bitcoin as a robust alternative, emphasizing its role in addressing current economic uncertainties.