Scott Mehl interviews Tim St. John, an expert on shame culture. They discuss the complexities of cultural shame, the impact of shame on individuals' experiences and identities. They also talk about the importance of understanding cultural context in counseling, embracing compassion, and recognizing the misuse of scripture. The chapter explores the idols of change, syncretism, and offers resources for addressing shame. They emphasize the significance of gratitude and encouragement in dealing with shame and suffering.