Researchers who create and study tech like ChatGPT don't understand how it works. The episode explores the rise of AI in chess and Go, the mysterious nature of chat GPT AI, the impressive abilities of GPT-4, and the unpredictability of AI systems.

Food writer and Korean cuisine expert Tien Nguyen discusses co-writing a Korean cookbook, the special connection to Sundo-boo restaurant, the role of food in conflict and recognition, the concept of 'Son Ma' in cooking, the influence of Korean cuisine in Los Angeles, and opinions on pizza and being a co-writer.