Thomas Legrand, a wisdom seeker and author of 'Politics of Being,' dives into the links between spirituality and politics. He challenges conventional development models, advocating for a wisdom-driven approach to societal issues. The conversation explores universal basic income and the complexities of human motivation, while also examining the ethics of undesirable jobs in an automated future. Legrand highlights the importance of integrating spiritual values into societal structures, illustrating how collective consciousness can drive transformative change.