719. Thomas Legrand

Nov 16, 2024

Thomas Legrand, a wisdom seeker and author of 'Politics of Being,' dives into the links between spirituality and politics. He challenges conventional development models, advocating for a wisdom-driven approach to societal issues. The conversation explores universal basic income and the complexities of human motivation, while also examining the ethics of undesirable jobs in an automated future. Legrand highlights the importance of integrating spiritual values into societal structures, illustrating how collective consciousness can drive transformative change.

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Intro

00:00 • 3min

Awakening Spiritual Politics

03:12 • 8min

Spiritual Awakening and Societal Transformation

10:44 • 20min

Exploring Universal Basic Income and Human Nature

30:54 • 2min

Rethinking Unpleasant Jobs in an Automated Future

33:02 • 2min

Prisons, Rehabilitation, and Interconnectedness

34:36 • 10min

The Evolution of Society through Spiritual Values

44:30 • 4min

Transformative Healing in Unseen Conflicts

48:14 • 11min

The Politics of Being: Bridging Spirituality and Practical Solutions

58:49 • 22min

The Soul of Nations: Unity in Diversity

01:21:11 • 13min

Exploring the Politics of Being and Conscious Transformation

01:34:06 • 4min

Thomas Legrand is a wisdom’s seeker, a social scientist and sustainability practitioner. He is the author of the internationally acclaimed book “Politics of Being. Wisdom and Science for a New Development Paradigm” (2022), an invitation to radically rethink our model of development, which received the Grand Prize of the Nautilus Book Award in 2024. His spiritual journey began at the age of 23 with an encounter with native spirituality in Mexico, before embracing the wisdom of a wide range of traditions and practices, including meditation, energetic healing and Tai-chi-chuan. He lives with his wife and their two young daughters near Plum Village, the monastery of Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh in the South West of France, his country. He is currently the Lead Technical Advisor for the UNDP-convened Conscious Food Systems Alliance. Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group Summary and transcript of this interview. Interview recorded November 9, 2024 YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00:00 Introduction to Thomas Legrand and His Work  00:03:27 Integrating Politics and Spirituality  00:07:32 Radical Restructuring for Humanity’s Survival  00:10:43 Prophecies of Transformation and Enlightenment  00:15:14 Exploring Spiritual Solutions for Society  00:19:22 The Necessity of Consciously Attending to Ethics in Spiritual Practice  00:23:51 Spirituality and Science Collaboration  00:27:12 The Influence of Sri Aurobindo’s Spiritual Work on Global Events  00:31:11 Spiritual Practices and Deep Forces  00:34:53 The Need for Spiritual Transformation  00:39:07 Theory X and Theory Y: Workplace Dynamics  00:43:34 Prisons as Factories of Stress and Recidivism  00:48:32 The Importance of Relationships in Happiness  00:52:40 The Impact of Collective Consciousness  00:56:18 Emerging Sciences for Happiness and Peace  01:00:30 Integrating Wisdom and Science for Unity  01:04:21 Healing Patterns on a Societal Level  01:09:00 Transformation Through Breakdown and Regrowth  01:12:06 Introducing the Concept of a Politics of Being  01:15:30 The Shift Back to Human Dimensions  01:20:37 Implementing Spiritual Solutions in Everyday Life  01:25:51 Economic Inequality as the Root of Social Issues  01:30:39 The Necessity of Change in Society  01:36:22 The Baha’i Vision and Progressive Revelation  01:39:03 Understanding the Soul of a Nation in a Globalized World  01:43:25 The Destiny of Unity and Diversity  01:48:08 Conversations on Conflict and Harmony in Israel  01:50:45 Healing Trauma as a Gateway  01:53:37 Presidential Apology and Indigenous Healing  01:56:00 Navigating Economic Growth and Conscious Transformation  02:00:23 Exploring Our Website Offerings