Iris Bohnet and Siri Chilazi, both from the Harvard Kennedy School and co-authors of "Make Work Fair," dive into the complex landscape of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) programs. They discuss the tension between these initiatives and meritocracy, advocating for fairness as a universal principle. Their research reveals how biases impact advancement and importance of data-driven solutions. The duo emphasizes strategic goal-setting to enhance organizational fairness and highlights the need for open dialogue to foster genuine inclusivity.