Greg Jenner is joined by Dr Shushma Malik and comedian Thanyia Moore to learn about Cleopatra.Cleopatra, the seventh Ancient Egyptian Queen to bear that name, was born around 69 BCE and she’s seen by many historians as the final ruler of dynastic Egypt; a lineage that stretched back 3,000 years.From marrying and murdering her siblings to liaisons of love and political pragmatism with top Romans Julius Caesar and Mark Antony; Cleopatra led a very turbulent life.But when we strip back the modern myths and ancient interpretations, who was the real Cleopatra? You’re Dead To Me is a production by The Athletic for BBC Radio 4 Research by Aimee Hinds Scott Written by Emma Nagouse, Emmie Rose Price-Goodfellow and Greg Jenner Produced by Emma Nagouse and Greg Jenner Assistant Producer: Emmie Rose Price-Goodfellow Project Management: Isla Matthews Audio Producer: Steve Hankey

Greg Jenner is joined by Dr Shushma Malik and Ahir Shah as they travel back to Ancient Rome to meet one of history’s biggest names, Julius Caesar. With a name so good his family used it multiple times, for every relative, we follow the rise to power of the man who would one day become Dictator of Rome.You’re Dead To Me is a production by The Athletic for BBC Radio 4.Research by Bethan Davies Written and produced by Emma Nagouse and Greg Jenner Assistant Producer: Emmie Rose Price-Goodfellow Project Management: Isla Matthews Audio Producer: Abi Paterson

Dr. Shushma Malik, a historical expert, teams up with comedian Thanyia Moore to delve into the tumultuous life of Cleopatra. They unravel the Queen’s dramatic lineage, power struggles, and her relationships with Roman icons Julius Caesar and Mark Antony. The conversation reveals her strategic cunning amidst familial betrayals and political intrigue. Additionally, they challenge Cleopatra's legacy as merely a seductive figure, arguing for a broader appreciation of her genuine influence in history, all sprinkled with humor and wit.