In this conversation, poet Shane McCrae opens up about his traumatic childhood as a kidnapped child raised in a racist environment. Shane's memoir, "Pulling the Chariot of the Sun," chronicles his quest for identity and healing through poetry. Wyatt Mason, a contributing writer, adds depth as they discuss how art can emerge from personal pain. The duo explores themes of familial disconnect and the emotional aftermath of abduction, highlighting Shane's journey from trauma to poetic expression and the struggle for recognition in his family.

Poet Shane McCrae discusses his poetry sequence 'Jim Limber in Heaven' and its themes of adoption, loss, and identity intertwined with the mysterious history of Jim Limber. He also explores the unique structure of his book, Sometimes I Never Suffered, delving into theological themes and the influence of poetic persona and gothic sensibility in literature.