Scott Carmichael is an author focused on espionage, and Jim Popkin has written extensively about intelligence activities. They dive into the intriguing case of Ana Montes, a U.S. defense analyst turned Cuban spy. The conversation reveals the surprising motivations behind her betrayal and explores the complexities of her double life. They discuss the relentless investigation into her actions and the peculiarities surrounding her detachment during arrest. Listeners gain insight into the intricate world of spies in America and the personal conflicts that arise in such dangerous territories.