In this engaging discussion, Shelby Traynor, a reporter and producer who explores mental health topics, and Ryan Findlay, a psychotherapist and tarot reader, dive into the intersection of divination and therapy. They examine how practices like astrology can provide comfort, despite their lack of scientific backing. The conversation reveals the psychological mechanisms behind the Barnum Effect, the role of tarot in self-reflection, and the therapeutic benefits of finding meaning in chaos. Their insights blend skepticism with personal anecdotes, making for a thoughtful exploration of beliefs that shape us.