Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz, an Indigenous historian and activist, and Nick Estes, a noted Indigenous historian and writer, discuss the real history behind Thanksgiving and Indigenous struggles. They critique the romanticized narratives surrounding the holiday, calling for a reevaluation of American nationalism. The conversation delves into issues like colonial atrocities, the fight for Indigenous rights, and the ongoing impacts of intergenerational trauma. They also explore the importance of authentic representation of Native cultures in history and media.