James Orr, an Associate Professor at Cambridge with strong ties to the UK's national conservative movement, and Rod Dreher, an Orthodox Christian writer linked to Viktor Orbán, dive into JD Vance's surprising rise in American politics. They explore Vance's transition from critic to supporter of Trump and how his Ohio roots influence his views. Jonathan Martin adds context on Vance's foreign policy ideas and the implications of his European connections, revealing a new breed of conservatism that blends traditional values with modern technology.

Rod Dreher, an author known for his conservative perspectives on faith and culture, joins the hosts for an enlightening discussion. They delve into the revival of spiritual depth in modern faith, contrasting traditional practices with contemporary mystical trends. Dreher reflects on transformative encounters with the divine and the critical role of stories in spirituality. He emphasizes the vital connections between beauty, goodness, and truth, urging a deeper appreciation for enchantment amidst today’s distractions.