Richard Spencer, China correspondent for The Times, and Catherine Philp, World Affairs Editor, dive into the intricacies of a significant summit in China attended by leaders like Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin. They discuss the formation of a new global order and alliances, examining how the gathering challenges Western dominance. The guests also explore India's evolving ties with China and Russia, the mixed feelings surrounding China's national parade, and the unpredictable shifts in foreign policies that suggest a move towards a multipolar world.