Sam Roggeveen, an expert on international security from the Lowy Institute and critic of AUKUS, fears Australia's sovereignty is at stake. Former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull shares insights on dealing with U.S. expectations during his tenure. Deputy Prime Minister Richard Marles argues for the strategic benefits of AUKUS. They discuss the potential risks of over-reliance on U.S. military operations and the financial implications of contributing nuclear submarines to regional defense, alongside Australia's need for a more independent security strategy.