Rachel Winkler, a partner at Nixon Peabody Law Firm and former DHS policy expert, delves into the complexities of immigration law and mass deportation. She discusses the legal challenges undocumented immigrants face, including the impact of potential policy changes and the intricacies of detention laws. Winkler highlights the role of mixed-status households and the human costs of mass deportation. The conversation reveals the necessity for a balance between securing borders and recognizing the contributions of immigrant labor, while also touching on the historical context of deportation practices.