In a gripping conversation, Rachel Curtis, a former member of Cities Church, shares her painful journey of excommunication after leaving an abusive marriage. She reveals the depths of spiritual abuse and how church leaders, like Joe Rigney, failed her during her husband's struggles with pornography. Kate West, author of 'Rift', reflects on growing up in a patriarchal community influenced by Doug Wilson, highlighting the shame and control she faced as a stay-at-home daughter. Together, they discuss empowerment, healing, and the importance of seeking support outside patriarchal structures.