“When you travel, you find out what it is you really want. You find out what you’re capable of, what your ambitions are.” –Paul Theroux In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Paul talk about how brotherly conflict is a time-honored trope in literature, and how travel can be a way to find your interests and ambitions in life (3:00); the ethical paradoxes and hypocrisies of global charities and industries in a resource-rich place like Africa (9:30); how writing fiction differs from writing nonfiction (19:00); and where Theroux is headed next (22:00). Paul Theroux (@PaulTheroux_) is a pioneer of travel writing and author of many highly acclaimed books, including The Great Railway Bazaar,  The Tao of Travel, and  On the Plain of Snakes. His newest novel is The Bad Angel Brothers. Notable Links: The Vagabond’s Way, by Rolf Potts (travel book) Paul Theroux on the art of listening (Deviate episode) Paul Theroux on the inherent complexity of Mexico (Deviate episode) The Great Railway Bazaar, by Paul Theroux (travel book) Figures in a Landscape, by Paul Theroux (essay collection) Cain and Abel (Biblical brothers) East of Eden, by John Steinbeck (novel) Cobalt mining in Africa Tim Cook (CEO of Apple, Inc.) Big-box store (large-scale retail system) Chinese industry in Africa NAFTA (free-trade agreement) Malawi (country in southeastern Africa) Phil Knight (CEO of Nike) Dark Star Safari, by Paul Theroux (travel book) PrairyErth, by William Least Heat-Moon (book) The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber. Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at deviate@rolfpotts.com.

Paul Theroux, acclaimed American author of bestselling travel books, is interviewed about his book Deep South. He explores the contradictions and unique characters he encountered while traveling through the region. Theroux reflects on the impact of poverty, racial segregation, and urban decay, but also shares stories of warmth and generosity from the people he met. He discusses the significance of churches and the cultural importance of guns. Theroux also delves into the diverse identities within the South and the impact of the blues in Mississippi. The podcast concludes with a reflection on the writer's portrayal of individuals and a haunting visit to a desolate ghost town in South Carolina.

Paul Theroux reads Jorge Luis Borges's short story "The Gospel According to Mark" and discusses Borges with The New Yorker's fiction editor, Deborah Treisman. "The Gospel According to Mark" was published in The New Yorker on October 23, 1971. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices