Leadership is explored through the perspectives of executive coach Patrice Gordon, organizational psychologist Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic, former First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon, and educator Shabana Basij-Rasikh. Topics include reverse mentoring, redefining leadership, lessons from losing, reimagining success beyond GDP, changing landscape of leadership, and education and resilience in Afghanistan.

From workplaces to schools to national governments, leaders everywhere are being called on to solve complex problems with humility and bravery. This hour, we consider what it takes to be a leader. Guests include executive coach Patrice Gordon, organizational psychologist Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic, First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon, and educator Shabana Basij-Rasikh.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

Brené Brown talks with Patrice Gordon about reverse mentorship, emphasizing psychological safety and creating better leaders. They discuss vulnerability, inclusive leadership, and breaking barriers for successful mentorship relationships. The conversation also includes personal reflections on career choices, leadership advice, and a casual chat about TV shows and movies.