Join Pat McCabe, a Diné activist and ceremonial leader, alongside Francis Weller, a psychotherapist and soul activist, as they explore the transformative power of winter’s darkness. They discuss the significance of grief and renewal, weaving Indigenous wisdom with psychological insights. Their reflections on ancestral ties and communal healing highlight the importance of embracing life's cyclical nature. From personal rituals to collective transitions, this conversation offers profound wisdom on navigating loss and finding hope in the fertile darkness.

Pat McCabe, Diné (Navajo) mother, grandmother, activist, artist, and writer discusses indigeneity, the power of ceremony, the role of women in history, co-creation and connecting to the land, embracing individual processes, the sacredness of a woman's moon time, and trusting in tradition.