Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry

Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry, a noted writer and commentator on public policy, joins Noah Smith for a spirited debate on immigration. They delve into the moral and philosophical justifications of national borders, exploring the misconceptions held by voters about immigration's impact. Digging into enforcement strategies, Pascal questions progressive rhetoric while Noah suggests employer audits over mass deportations. The duo also discusses the intricate relationship between deportations, crime rates, and the fiscal toll on cities, leaving listeners with thought-provoking insights on a complex issue.