Maisie Barrett and Noel Gordon share their experiences as black British children labeled 'educationally subnormal' in the 1960s and 70s. They discuss how this mislabeling led them to schools that neglected literacy and learning. Both later discovered they were dyslexic, prompting a transformative re-evaluation of their identities. The conversation delves into the intersections of ableism, racism, and the enduring impact of eugenics on educational systems. Their stories highlight the importance of recognizing and supporting diverse educational needs.