Amaliya Zatari and Nina Nazarova, both BBC Russian journalists, delve into the harrowing topic of Russian military desertion. They share gripping stories of soldiers fleeing to places like France to escape conscription. Zatari recounts a young man's escape journey, while Nazarova highlights the emotional toll on families trying to protect their loved ones. The conversation explores societal perceptions of deserters, the stigma they face in Russia, and the challenges of asylum in foreign lands, painting a poignant picture of resilience and desperation.

BBC journalists Shazia Haya and Nina Nazarova share their experiences living in exile, discussing rushed evacuations from Afghanistan and Russia, emotional departures, challenges faced while settling in new locations, exploring notions of home and family, longing for loved ones, and making new connections in foreign countries.