Nick Fishwick, a former senior member of the British Foreign Office, and Dave Pitts, a former senior CIA executive specializing in clandestine operations, dive into the complex realities of modern warfare. They discuss Russia's mastery of gray zone tactics, which allow them to meddle internationally without triggering direct conflict. The conversation also explores how Western nations are evolving their strategies in response, analyzing the varied U.S. foreign policy approaches under different administrations and the importance of intelligence sharing amid geopolitical tensions.
