Neil D'Astolfo, an expert on Roman history, joins the discussion on the tumultuous relationship between Emperor Hadrian and his young lover Antinous. They tackle the complexities of their bond, delving into themes of grooming and sacrifice within the context of ancient Roman society. The conversation explores queer narratives and mentorship dynamics in Rome, while humorously examining Hadrian's character. They also contemplate the transformation of Antinous from a mere mortal to a posthumous icon, blending historical insight with contemporary reflections.