N.D. Wilson and Brian Kohl discuss the themes of winning and losing as Christians, standing against evil, the intersection of public policy and spirituality, redefining winning beyond societal norms, victory through conversion and legacy building, character perception and development, and self-control and obedience in parenting with a focus on fear of God.

N.D. Wilson, best-selling author of the 100 Cupboards trilogy and creator of Hello Ninja, dives into Hollywood's shifts post-Trump. He critiques the prevalence of mediocrity in film and the challenges of maintaining artistic quality in a profit-driven market. Wilson emphasizes the need for creative ambition and the potential of a free market to revive great art. The conversation touches on the evolving landscape of children's entertainment and the resilience needed in today’s cultural climate, while also hinting at his exciting upcoming projects.

N.D. Wilson, an author known for his inventive storytelling, discusses his intriguing method for replicating the Shroud of Turin. He shares how a professor's dismissal of the Bible sparked his experiment, revealing a medieval technique using glass and paint. Wilson examines the historical context, including how even medieval Catholics deemed the shroud a forgery. The conversation explores the tension between faith and science, emphasizing the critical need for authenticity in understanding such artifacts and the storytelling around them.