Renowned Russian dissident journalist Mikhail Zygar discusses the power struggles and myths that shape Russo-Ukrainian relations. He explores how historical myths about Ukraine led Russian President Putin to underestimate Volodymyr Zelensky, who became Ukraine's president. Edward Lucas, an expert on National Security, joins the conversation to provide insights. Topics covered include challenging historical narratives, the responsibility of Russian language and culture, the concept of Russian speakers, and the rise of Zelensky from television to politics.

Andriy Zagorodnyuk, the former Ukrainian defense minister, dives into Ukraine's recent military actions within Russian territory and their potential impact on peace talks. He reveals the innovative asymmetric warfare tactics employed by Ukraine and their significance for Putin's leadership. Mikhail Zygar provides insight into the Russian perspective on these incursions, while Sarah Smarsh discusses the challenges Democrats face in engaging rural voters and the potential solutions to reverse this trend.

Journalist Mikhail Zygar discusses his new book 'War and Punishment' which debunks historical myths in Russia, exposing their role in the invasion of Ukraine. The speaker explores the moral obligation to take blame for Russian crimes, discusses the rise of fascism, and the impending end of Putin's regime.