In this discussion, Mike Vann, a history professor specializing in Indonesia, delves into the return of Prabowo, a former general with a troubling past. They explore the dramatic political shift with Prabowo's election victory and the implications of his alliance with Jokowi, a previous opponent. The conversation highlights Indonesia's struggles between democracy and authoritarianism, touching on historical atrocities and the role of anti-communism in shaping military power. Vann's insights illustrate the complexities of Indonesia's political landscape as it navigates its dark history.