Francois Chollet, an AI researcher at Google and creator of Keras, teams up with Mike Knoop, co-founder of Zapier, to launch the $1 million ARC-AGI Prize. They debate why large language models (LLMs) may never achieve true AGI, emphasizing the importance of genuine understanding over mere memorization. They explore differences between human and machine intelligence, the challenges LLMs face with novel tasks, and innovative strategies like program synthesis that could advance AI development. The conversation highlights the need for collaboration in pushing the boundaries of artificial intelligence.

Guests include Dwarkesh Patel, an AI expert and author, and Casey Handmer, founder of Terraform Industries, who discuss the ethical implications of AI in various sectors. Nadia Asparouhova dives into her work on 'Antimimetics,' exploring how some ideas resist spreading. Augustus Doricko addresses innovative solutions for water scarcity through cloud seeding techniques. The conversation is sprinkled with insights on fraud in tech and the recent IPO of CoreWeave, highlighting the dynamic intersection of technology and investment in today's market.

In this engaging discussion with Mike Knoop, co-founder of Zapier and advocate for open AGI, listeners dive into the transformative power of AI in productivity. Mike shares insights on two types of automation: API-based systems and robotic process automation. He highlights surprising ways AI agents can save time and money for product managers and marketers, including a case where they saved $100K. The conversation also critiques common misconceptions about AGI, emphasizing that achieving it requires more than just large language models.

Mike Knoop, co-founder and president of Zapier, shares insights from the tool's early days aimed at streamlining app interactions. He discusses the transformative impact of APIs on user experience and reveals Zapier’s innovative business model. Knoop dives into the challenges of integrating AI into workflows, highlighting practical applications and potential safety concerns. He also addresses recent API evolution and its implications for startups, emphasizing collaboration and efficiency in a rapidly changing tech landscape.

Mike Knoop, Co-founder and CEO of Ndea, shares his transition from automating workflows at Zapier to exploring AI frontiers. He delves into DeepSeek’s R1 model and OpenAI’s O-series, discussing their potential for enhancing reasoning capabilities. Knoop emphasizes program synthesis as crucial for achieving AGI and highlights the ARC Prize's role in fostering collaborative AI research. The conversation also touches on the importance of reliability in AI systems and the need for innovative approaches in automation.

Mike Knoop, co-founder of Zapier, discusses launching the ARC Prize to stimulate AGI development. The podcast covers the importance of new benchmarks for AI, efficiency in acquiring skills, differences between foundation models and ArcGIS, techniques for improving puzzle solving, and advancing AI systems for reliability and innovation. The episode also explores innovative competitions, open-source collaboration, and the potential of AGI to revolutionize AI.

Mike Knoop, co-founder and Head of AI at Zapier, dives into the fascinating world of Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) and the innovative ARC Prize. He challenges traditional views on AGI, advocating for a definition centered on a system’s ability to learn. The conversation explores why large language models may not lead us to true AGI, as well as how Zapier is revolutionizing workflow automation with AI. Knoop emphasizes the importance of open-source approaches and the need to avoid premature regulations that could stifle potential breakthroughs.

Join François Chollet, a leading AI researcher and philosopher behind Keras, and Mike Knoop, co-founder of Zapier and the ARC Prize, as they explore the future of artificial general intelligence (AGI). They discuss the launch of ARC AGI 2 and how current language models fall short in true intelligence benchmarks. Tune in to hear about advancements like the O3 model, the significance of test-time adaptation, and the philosophical underpinnings of intelligence. Their new research lab, Ndea, aims to revolutionize AI and foster rapid scientific progress.

Mike Knoop, Co-Founder & Head of AI at Zapier, discusses how LLMs are transforming Zapier's business, driving 100x productivity improvements and deflecting customer support requests. They explore the role of LLMs in tool discovery, optimizing apps, and handling customer interactions. They discuss the vision for Zapier in this new world, challenges in building LLM-powered features, and evaluating model outputs. The episode also explores using language models for debugging, generating data, and improving error messages.

In a riveting chat, Mike Knoop, co-founder of Zapier and the ARC Prize, dives into groundbreaking concepts of AI efficiency and general intelligence. He explains the ARC benchmark's pivotal role in evaluating AI's problem-solving capacity and its implications for safety. The conversation highlights the necessity of intuitive frameworks in AI, the challenges of generalization, and innovative strategies for AGI development. Knoop emphasizes open collaboration through initiatives like the ARC Prize, aiming to push the boundaries of AI architectures toward human-level capabilities.