Experts Francois Chollet and Mike Knoop discuss why LLMs won't lead to AGI and introduce a $1 million ARC-AGI Prize. Topics include the ARC benchmark, skill vs intelligence, AI progress, and possible solutions to the ARC Prize.

In this engaging discussion with Mike Knoop, co-founder of Zapier and advocate for open AGI, listeners dive into the transformative power of AI in productivity. Mike shares insights on two types of automation: API-based systems and robotic process automation. He highlights surprising ways AI agents can save time and money for product managers and marketers, including a case where they saved $100K. The conversation also critiques common misconceptions about AGI, emphasizing that achieving it requires more than just large language models.

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Mike Knoop, co-founder of Zapier, discusses launching the ARC Prize to stimulate AGI development. The podcast covers the importance of new benchmarks for AI, efficiency in acquiring skills, differences between foundation models and ArcGIS, techniques for improving puzzle solving, and advancing AI systems for reliability and innovation. The episode also explores innovative competitions, open-source collaboration, and the potential of AGI to revolutionize AI.

Mike Knoop from Zapier discusses the ARC Prize for AGI, challenges of LLMs for AGI, Zapier's AI integration, and the importance of open source and cautious regulation for AGI development.