Rebecca Rettig, Chief Legal and Policy Officer at Polygon Labs, and Michael Mosier, co-founder of Arktouros PLLC, dive into the intricacies of regulating decentralized finance. They discuss their innovative paper addressing illicit finance challenges in DeFi, the outdated nature of the Bank Secrecy Act, and the importance of KYC and AML compliance. The duo also differentiates between 'onchain CeFi' and 'genuine DeFi', while proposing solutions like targeting high-risk wallets and utilizing critical communications transmitters for effective regulation.

Seth Hertlein, VP of Global Head of Policy at Ledger, and Michael Mosier, Co-founder of Arktourous and former FinCEN member, dive deep into financial surveillance. They unravel how regulations like AML/KYC and OFAC operate and their effects on the crypto landscape. The duo discusses historical roots of the Bank Secrecy Act and the evolution of surveillance practices, revealing the delicate balance between public safety and personal liberties. They also highlight the implications of surveillance on civil rights and the future of cryptocurrency regulation.

Guests Rebecca Rettig, Michael Mosier, and Katja Gilman explore a conceptual framework to detect and prevent illicit financial activities in DeFi while preserving its permissionless nature. Topics covered include the current AML and CTF regime in America, sanctions, and the future of DeFi.