Azeen Ghorayshi, a New York Times reporter specializing in sex, gender, and science, joins Meghan S. Cole, a lawyer in Alabama undergoing IVF treatment. They discuss a recent Alabama Supreme Court ruling that redefines frozen embryos as children, dramatically impacting fertility treatments. Meghan shares her emotional journey navigating the fallout as IVF procedures come under siege, while Azeen highlights the broader implications for reproductive rights amidst shifting legal landscapes. The conversation reveals the heart-wrenching challenges couples face in their pursuit of parenthood.