Matt Steinglass, Europe correspondent for The Economist, analyzes the devastating earthquakes in Turkey and Syria, discussing the challenges of delivering aid in a politically charged environment. Chris Whipple, an expert on White House chiefs of staff, shares insights on the crucial role of leadership during crises, focusing on Ron Klain and Jeff Zients. The conversation also touches on the political implications of Turkey's disasters as it approaches elections, highlighting the intersection of humanitarian response and governance.

In this insightful conversation, Matt Steinglass, Europe correspondent, discusses the dire aftermath of the Turkey-Syria earthquakes, highlighting the urgent rescue efforts and the challenges posed by local building regulations. Chris Whipple, author and expert on White House dynamics, reflects on the leadership transition as Biden welcomes his new chief of staff, Jeff Zients, exploring the critical balance of loyalty and honesty in political advising. The podcast also touches on the growing prominence of Argentine trap music and its cultural implications.