Matt Steinglass, Europe correspondent for The Economist, analyzes the devastating earthquakes in Turkey and Syria, discussing the challenges of delivering aid in a politically charged environment. Chris Whipple, an expert on White House chiefs of staff, shares insights on the crucial role of leadership during crises, focusing on Ron Klain and Jeff Zients. The conversation also touches on the political implications of Turkey's disasters as it approaches elections, highlighting the intersection of humanitarian response and governance.