Matt Muller from Tines, a security automation expert, dives into the provocative assertion by Gartner that SOAR is dead. The chat reveals the complexities of ransomware attacks, focusing on Blue Yonder and the tough choices companies must make when traditional recovery fails. They also discuss how the evolving tactics of state-backed hackers, particularly Salt Typhoon's telecom assaults, have raised national security alarms. The conversation wraps up with insights on the integration of AI in security and the necessity for adaptive approaches in ever-changing cyber landscapes.